So we should pick a slot for a weekly, let’s get this year rolling
@Mulkeen We should, I am in Vegas with Cam today and tomorrow. I want to get a few things squared away with him first. Please stay tuned
let’s make it happen this week my man @Andy Rogers
I am off today. Flying in the morning tomorrow for NTL in Miami. Craig and Greg will be there.
Let’s you and me schedule time to connect on Wednesday. Please send me a calander invite for anytime after 10:00am on Wednesday
@Andy Rogers, when you have time, can you find out the status of the Diab firm? It was a referral sent down by Nick when he left, but never see budgets brought in by them.
@Mulkeen I have seen nothing. FYI I am available early if you are for today. Are we jumping on zoom or do you just want to call me?
ok then I’d like to try to get Diab on board again as it seems no movement since Nick left, which is 9 months ago
OKay regular time is fine. I am just at this conference and trying to make sure we are NOT interupted
Read the message, I said resechedule for Thursday or Friday as I am in a plane tomorrow
@Andy Rogers you get that dash example I sent over?
@Mulkeen I saw you sent it but have not had a chance to review it yet
compiling a list of criminal and family attorneys nationwide, will be ready early next week
Perfect, I am working on an email and pitch for you as well.
@Mulkeen Check your email I sent you a potential prospecting emaiil
can you tell me if this is still being run and/or how did we do with it? have an interested party to throw some budget at it @Andy Rogers
@Andy Rogers is Silvia no longer with the company?
no wonder I’m getting no response to invoices or emails
morning @Andy Rogers….just a note I spoke to Cam yesterday, and he asked if I could make it to Vegas. I booked a room and can get a flight, so unless something collapses, I could be there April 2-5
another questions, are we doing anything on the Bard Powerport?
had a request come in with details, but wasn’t sure on pricing or if we are active on it at all
We are doing Powerport but I do not have the details. Can you Slack Cam and copy me?
into Vegas afternoon of April 2nd, red-eye out late on April 4th
Hey @Andy Rogers have about 25 cities laid out, 50 firms per tab for family and criminal law. Have gone through 2 cities thus far, not a response as of yet…plenty of bounces though.
will be through 15 cities end of week, will keep you updated if any responses
Hey @Andy Rogers how’s all? Is there any plan for tomorrow night in Vegas?
Yes, I wish I had more time to connect. It was literally the business conference I have EVER attended.
@Mulkeen True, I am just hoping to push as well. Just trying to help
I hit up a bunch of old contacts, received this feedback from one
Sorry travel has been stupid. I’ll get you some answers shortly
@Mulkeen I can reach out to Fadi. But they are gonna just want to buy leads
Med verify? Are you asking about medical records?
seems someone who a firm has brought on to handle their budgets
similar to you or myself, except he’s firm side and needs supply
It seems to be on par with the criteria they are using.
Ok but no firms will pay any of these that I speak with
They changed their criteria and it got “hot”
He said he spoke with you in Miami back in January
Did you get Wagstaff back on board with Shield?
How can Copper be updated? Does it only work for new deals with contracts? We can’t put old contacts in it?
I see the Wagstaff note in invoicing, and that’s it’s being put into Copper, but was told it’s not ready yet….so how does it work?
@Mulkeen Sean, Copper is being beta tested by certain Shield employees. It is not something that Independant Sales People will have access to yet.
As for the Wagstaff deal, it is my understanding that it funded yesterday. Cameron and I are in Vegas yesterday and today with a big opportunity. I will have time to chat with him later today or tomorrow and will let you know how that goes.
Thanks, I am sitting with them right now. It has been a good couple of days
Got the team meeting email but unable to attend due to a prior event
I cant really type or read right now for that matter.
I am covering a lot shit on campaigns, Cooper, rules of engagment, etc. I can review with you next week.
Leaving the eye doctor shortly. My pupils are dilated so I can’t drive and they have me sitting in the “dark waiting room”
Good news is the eye is making good progress but for one small complication. Long story short is it is scaring in a way that could lead to eyesight issues.
I am supposed to stay out of any light, stay off of any screens/ or at least limit it substantially for the next four days and I need to come back again before I fly out Tuesday to Salt Lake.
Daughter is preforming at the Opera House, hence the conflict
morning @Andy Rogers…around when do stats from the previous day usually get updated?
going to drop this note to you so you’re aware, as Cameron has told me he’s traveling
LCA has been paused since May 20th due to media prices being too volatile for PA Juv Hall
the tracking got fucked up in the last week and now LCA tracking board is showing Lakin/AFG/Levinson PA Juv Hall spends, all in July, showing that the lead price has come back down under $600/lead
that tracking has been since fixed by Cam just now, but I can see we can run the traffic, but the campaign is not being put back live as Cam wants to do a reconcile on their budget
which says will be done by weeks end, which pushes off going live again for another week
Can you send me your most common PFAS criteria and the associated price, I have a client interested. Also, if you can do a deal with guaranteed medical records they want that potential option.
We cannot do a deal with guaranteed medical records. As for the criteria and pricing I need to know if they want only CMO 28 or are they taking everything? It might help if you know who the litigating firm is that way I might have their criteria
Are we considering med recs at any point? Most I speak to ask
Thanks for the info. At this stage my client is unsure of which litigating firm they’ll be using and are looking to us for guidance. We’ve been running AFFF for a long time but this is our first campaign for strictly PFAS. I’ve seen a lot of different versions of PFAS criteria, some that include AFFF, but also include military bases affected, (like the ELG criteria), regions affected by chemical plants, (Like 3M, Dow etc) and some that are super open since PFAS is in everything. What do you recommend as the common criteria that everyone is running right now?
@Mulkeen I am waiting to hear back but will get you an answer on this tomofot sure
@Mulkeen
PFAS from ELG defines Categories A and B below. We could offer a mix at $2,300 per. I'd just quote a range of $2,300-$2,500 to give us some room.
Category A Injuries - most highly linked - Target these injuries **Approximate minimum latency - duration between first exposure and diagnosis Kidney Cancer 15 years, but can be less for aggressive cancer types Testicular Cancer 15 years, but can be less for aggressive cancer types Liver Cancer 12 years Thyroid Cancer 5 years Thyroid Disease - hypo and hyperthyroidism, hashimoto’s disease 2 years Ulcerative Colitis 2 years
Category B Injuries - hierarchy Prostate Cancer 15 years, but can be less for aggressive cancer types 5 years Breast Cancer 15 years 5 years Pancreatic Cancer 10 years 5 years Bladder Cancer 4 years 4 years
morning @Andy Rogers did the dashboards update yesterday?
hey @Andy Rogers how are ya? I sent Cam a note, but perhaps you know. Can we target age a bit on the Juv Hall leads/contracts?
I see PA is under 35, but LCA majority of their leads coming in are 35 and over
That is wierd to me. Cam told me that we are only diong 35 or younger in PA. Does he have something different with your guys?
no, this issue has only been brought up now and LCA threatening to pause tomorrow
trying to close this mormon deal, but they got stuck on prepay, now they’ve come back with 4 states only, can only be live for 12 days
as long as they agree on everything Cam pushed forward, could have a winner
That would be great. YOu can use a nice break for once
all my potential clients hold a joker up their sleeve like Gambit
They need the abuser named in the intake for the contract, and we can’t guarantee that
Do you happen to have the LP for Mormon abuse? @Andy Rogers
@Mulkeen I am, I am on calls right now but can Slack or we can set up a call for tomorrow if you want to chat
I’ve been working on this firm for 2 weeks, they were a referral
they are at the 1 yard line, and have the invoice in hand and ready to pay, but they are spooked by the term in the invoice of returns not being acceptable due to be claimants being unreachable
I told them that’s in the invoice in case firms sit on contracts too long and don’t contact the claimants
this has spooked them, and to settle things, they would like the return policy of 72 hours but no questions asked
they get 30 day return policies from our competitors
I don’t envision it being an issue or them taking advantage of it, but need something to get this across the line
Who is the firm? What are they buying? How much?
I have run into this issue before and I have lost deals to it. What I have told them is that the reason is because we are sourcing everything ourself. Unlike other companies that are buying traffic from affiliates and what not.
I have tried telling them that we are not here to screw them but we have to protect oursleves as well.
Give me the details and lets me think about aa way as well as to plead a case to Cam
they have spoken to Cam in the past, they tell me
Do you think they would give us some sort of commitement to call people within a certain period of time?
I’m sure they’ll call immediately, but I can ask
And so I am clear are they asking for a 30 day refund period if they cannot reach someone?
So they are asking for a replacement if they cannot reach someone in 72 hours? I just want to make sure I am understanding.
they want the return policy to be open for 72 hours
in their words….“We would like a grace period. 72 hour return policy, without any reason”
Okay, so let me say it differently, they want to be able to return within 72 hours for any reason? Even if they do reach them and even if the lead we sent appears to be qualified?
no, they have just opened it up a bit since they were spooked by the note that a contract can’t be returned if the claimant can’t be reached
I do not see Cam approving such a “wide-open” policy. Can we get an understanding of what the fear is they are trying to solve for?
probably worried that a certain percentage of contracts are delivered that can’t be reached
I am just trying to figure out how to present to Cam. Let me see what I can do
but I will ask without trying to spook them more
i’ll see if they’ll agree to the reach out part, I’m sure they will
this guy has called me 15x in two weeks, questions upon questions, but needs abuse cases, so he’s game and has the budget, but every detail has to be exact
Let you know if I hear back from them today as it’s creeping up on 5pm east coast
@Andy Rogers so we could put in the commitment that they call within the 72 hours
@Mulkeen this is. what I got:
NO we cant do that. He needs to know that they should epect a 20-25% fall out rate, and that they should let us do their secondary interviews as it reinforces the claimant “buy in” and gives them lower fall out over all. We do NOT have a policy on reaching people, nor will we.
We can put in the contract he will contact all people on the day of delivery
Oh yes. I even called him. He said we will NOT under any circumstance guarantee that someone will get a hold of someone
every single firm has one detail every time that won’t close with us
Would it help if I tried to speak with them or is this a deal breaker?
not a deal breaker I’m sure, but look at his stipulations
he’s ok with 72 hours, and ok to sign off that he’ll contact them day of delivery
how can we have a 20-25% fall off rate from the same day a contract is signed?
Its not from the same day. But he is saying that people do NOT always answer within 72 hours and that the firm needs to expect a 20-25% fall out overall
but this firm calls the contract within 3 hours of it being delivered to them
are contracts not delivered same day they are signed?
yet we still have a 25% drop off rate from same day signatures to follow up from the law firm??
how can I get this closed? This one detail has tripped them up
I have a call with him tonight. But no it is not 25% the next day, its just that not everyone will answer within 72 hours.
as this guy is ready to sign and this is going to make me look bad in front of LCA as well
Cam wants to know if you, me and him can get on a call in 30 minutes or is that too late for you to talk today
It is perhaps you and me that can convince Cam to
Yuspeh Rappaport definitely would like to speak with either Bailey Glasser, you and/or both
The law firm will want to do the calls on Monday, guess it’s another Jewish holiday so he’s unavailable until then
@Andy Rogers morning. How’s your day looking for call availability?
morning @Andy Rogers how aggressive do you get with some of your firms who are on the fence?
we’ve pushing a week now since my firm was about to sign the invoice, and now it has cooled despite him wanting to get on the phone, and a jewish holiday getting in the mix as well
I know some guys call their firms daily on the notion that if you don’t constantly bother them, they’ll never answer…you endorse that thinking?
@Mulkeen I am usually not aggressive at all. But I will be very direct.
just frustrating, non-stop calls for 3 weeks, and then one little detail, and now it’s a slow burn
I know it’s a joke with some of these guys. Would you like me to perhaps send them an email?
I’ll see if I get some feedback today, haven’t heard much since he agreed to the calls last Wednesday
could we possibly find out if Bailey Glasser works with them? @Andy Rogers
trying to see how well known they are, and what connects they have
I also wonder if the might be more likely to pick up a US number, I might try from mine. We speak through WhatsApp up to this point
Might need an assist on an email to Rappaport. It’s gone crickets @Andy Rogers
@Andy Rogers morning, available to make that call today?
*Thread Reply:* the buyer we are speaking to today and Thursday both want abuse. 5/6 abuse torts
I want this one, I got the call with this firm cold
would obviously be a team effort to close it, but they are a good size firm
Sean, I understand you got a call from an email. However we have already got the firm committed to coming to Vegas and spending with us.
I have no idea how the best way to handle this is. I am going to speak with Cameron and get back to you
and that above seems only was confirmed the same day I got the call with them
meeting is with Gould, another one of the founding partners, so he’d most likely be involved even in tomorrows call
do we work with Berkman, Marder, Hopper, Malarkey & Perlin
Moved it to later this afternoon he is stuck in a Depo
Hey @Andy Rogers following up on our convo and should I confirm cancellation of the meeting tomorrow?
Well I am trying to deal with what has now turned into a shit show.
Long story short is Parker’s best friend died all of a sudden. We spoke for a couple minutes and I said well I know one of my colleagues has a meeting set up for later in the week with you guys.
He about lost his mind. He said that the reason they were excited to work with us was because of the fact that we are selective on new clients and that David and Todd are two very close friends of his. And that is why they were willing to sign an NDA with us and explore options.
His words, “sounds like you guys are just like everyone else trying to find someone to buy your leads”
He has asked me to speak with his partner Bryce and we can discuss in a couple weeks once he gets through the funeral.
I have told Todd and asked him to smooth the water, but he was irritated with me as well and said I made him look like an idiot.
His partner obviously didn’t know Parker was talking to you otherwise why would he agree to meet? And I didn’t know we were speaking to them either, how would I?
That all being said, I will cancel the meeting due to unforeseen circumstances, yes?
I believe so. Again, not blaming you for anything. Just telling you that this is why we don’t do cold prospecting
Ok will cancel the meeting then tomorrow morning my time unless you say otherwise
@Mulkeen Cameron wants to join our call but can’t at this time. Are you available a little later today?
I’ll have a list for you tomorrow of potentials @Andy Rogers
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SzK-cnLBJqKKwAlLEu5_5A4wAFmh9w2kHejc3MBx4vA/edit?gid=0#gid=0 shared doc of firms to chat on
@Mulkeen I am at this conference but I will review ASAP
hey @Andy Rogers, can you do the call today and not tomorrow, or are you on the road?
Hey Andy, there is no video link in the invite
fire me a text or message here once you hear on the contract price
So I see the request, but they are also asking for states to be omitted. How are you usually handling this?
Tell them that we usually do not exclude states but we should be able to accommodate them.
Pricing is between $3,500 to $3,800
Try and get on a call with them and see if you can sell them. Yes
speak on Monday @Andy Rogershave a good turkey day
only open question is available volume @Andy Rogers
Robins Kaplan is deciding who they want to work with, followed up with them post call already
don’t need anything for them, they are in decision mode
meeting is more about going over the sheet for new firms, following up with new leads, etc.
@Mulkeen fyi, I might be a couple minutes late for our call but it is definitely on.
https://congraciarestaurant.com/ for Barcelona, closed around the holidays, but I think you said you’re going to the match on the 21st. If you get into Barcelona on the 20th, they have some seating available. I found this place probably 13 years ago when it first opened, and it’s still legit. If you can’t do that, I’ll get some other suggestions for ya.
hey @Andy Rogers, let’s connect today to confirm NTLA so I can get that booked
hope all is ok @Andy Rogers, let me know on above so I can book some thing…thx
yes. I am still in a lot of pain buyt we are supposed to fly out to Spain in the morning so I am a little bit nervouis
i dont know but I have never been in that situation before. I honestly felt like I was going to die in a pool of vomit and shit
not sure if you got my messages while traveling, speak Friday
Nope. Hey can we push back Friday an hour plz?
https://perfectlaw.co.uk/ Mass Tort show in London
My plane is still in the air. We got delyaed and I tried messaging you. I am guessing you didnt get it
Lets shoot for next week. I have nothing new yet
you told me last week you’d have a lot for me today lol 🙂
No I didnt, I thought we agreed I would be ready for you at NTL
no, you said you’d have the conference schedule and some ideas on some other firms to get on board this month instead of waiting until NTLA
I can’t do BD, so I absorb any type of positive info pretty quick 🙂
fyi, check out the email I’m sending you, I’m 99% sure it won’t be worth it, but humor me
Robins Kaplan is up for saying hello in Miami, albeit they will be at the other conference while down there
@Mulkeen we don’t need to meet today as I will see you in a couple days in Miami.
I have already prepped Greg for working closer with you and I am looking forward to our discussions
hey @Andy Rogers fired you a doc that has a bunch of tabs for torts. This connects to the point to make sure we have all standard filters for these particular torts, and standard pricing. This will be to limit questions/requests to come your way and facilitate dialogue to move faster for current or prospective firms
furthermore, how’d the meeting to with regarding the additional media buyers, and lastly can you let me know on the travel calendar and point out which events you might want me to attend so I can plan ahead……and good morning
I have not had a moment to review but should today. Great seeing you and glad you are home safe
yeah figured as much, just striking while the iron is hot and wanting to hit the ground running for February
Cameron just called me with a fire he needs me to put out. I apologize but have no idea how long this is going yo take@Mulkeen
I’d like to get some things rolling, so hit me up when available
Will be around for a few more hours @Andy Rogers, just FYI
Pushed the meeting to Monday, hopefully the mess wasn’t too crazy…have a good weekend @Andy Rogers
@Mulkeen I know it is late out there so do you want to start our meeting earlier this morning? I am available now
@Andy Rogers mention to Tom Kline that we do a lot of business with Rick Meadow and he mentioned that your firm would be a good fit to work with us…..etc, etc.
all follow ups sent besides the one above, please confirm on that and let’s connect before the conference this weekend @Andy Rogers….thx
hey @Andy Rogers just got a message from Tighe following up from Miami. You want me to send the details directly to Cam?
I am boarding a plane from Miami to New Orleans right now/ AAj to TLMT
I didn’t see you scheduled this. Couldn’t make it anyhow
Have a dinner tonight and all day meetings tomorrow
spoke with Greg yesterday, should have 2-3 calls this week
zero feedback from any of the firms you wanted me to reach out to, will follow up on all of that today
then I guess we’ll keep the Friday slot, just want to get something going ASAP and not lose another week
Send me a meeting request for tomorrow morning at 10am pacific. We can review everything at that time. I will make sure that I am free
Feb 25 list is the new list of firms, take a look
@Mulkeen Mo call this morning I am on a flight. My flight got cancelled last night due to weather
https://global-classactions.com/speakers/ another one to put on your calendar for this year
hey @Andy Rogers how’s all? Following up on my email, or better to chat on everything tomorrow?
I am going to be late but I will be able to meet with you as soon as I am off this call
@Mulkeen no meeting today, we will connect next week in Vegas
what was the name of the social media girl so I can share the list of UK lawyers I find
I am trying to get shit together for Cam so I am crazy busy…yes
ok no worries, will sort it…speak later in the week
fyi @Andy Rogers, Greg at John Kays office now getting confirmation on the budget, hoping close to $400k
there is no generic for dupixent, but it is sold here in Ireland for 1/3 the price
need prescription or come from a country that the drug isn’t available
*Thread Reply:* Working in getting details from her
*Thread Reply:* gotcha, not sure if viable, but can always ask
Yes, this isn’t exactly making my life easier. But learning for all of us
I’m surprised all those questions were answered, I would think some are not his business
in the meantime I will make the flow chart more simple