@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, hope your are beginning to fell better today. We had a really good day yesterday with Shawn and Brett at Saddle Rock. Andy rocked as usual and Tony and our Brett were awesome. Are you free next week for a Zoom with them? Just give me a few times and I’ll get it coordinated.
Absolutely @Craig Smith around all week!
@Cameron Rentch Thanks Cam I’ll get it booked !
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Cam and Andy, the guys from Saddle Rock can do a Zoom this Friday at 9:30am pacific?
I think I am airborne at that time coming back from Vegas and I’d like to be on the call.
I’m can’t pull the United App on this flight so I’ll let you know when I land
Actually my flight leaves at 12:10pm pacific time Friday so I can do 9:30am
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam and Andy - Just some info in advance of our Saddle Rock call tomorrow morning. They may spend up to 8 figures over the next few months on Camp Lejeune for a final push. They do like our process and our quality. We won't need to be the lowest priced, but we will need to be as competitive as possible to get their business.
@Craig Smith ok we may not have any availability on Lejeune. Let’s discuss I have some large commitments/budgets already accepted that have to be used.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, they are also heavy in Roundup and Talc. Do we have availability in either? Outside of AFFF, what other campaigns do we have available now?
@Craig Smith not running much on roundup or talc. A lot of dual rep issues on these. I’m not opposed to it just need to talk it through - I think it’s all about the criteria.
Other campaigns; PFAS Paraquat Ozempic Bard powerport Hair relaxer
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, really good call this morning.... I received the email from Andy yesterday regarding 2024 and did want to discuss with you. Are you free now or later today? Let me know what works best for you .
@Craig Smith I can talk now or we can do later around 330PST-4PST. Let me know what works for you
@Cameron Rentch great i’m free now, I’ll send over invite
@Craig Smith have a hard stop 11am, should we do later so we can spend time not rushed?
Sure, I'll send invite for 3:30pm PST. If any reason that does not work, I can do Sun. or Mon. Thanks
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers for Constant Legal Group, for now they are most interested in AFFF and Semaglutide. I'm sure Andy has the most recent criteria and pricing for AFFF. Cam, what would criteria and pricing look like for Semaglutide - they are focusing on Novo Nordisk products (Ozempic and Wegovy).
@Craig Smith we are testing Ozempic/Wegovy. I need to see their exact criteria to get a better idea of costs.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, ok I'll get their criteria. Thanks.... For AFFF, please confirm below criteria is current. Also, are we $3,400-$3,500/per currently?
PC must have been a civilian or military firefighter, or exposed to or used firefighting foam on the job or in training • PC must not be a minor • PC must have been exposed to firefighting foam after 1960 • PC must have been diagnosed with one of the following: Kidney Cancer Testicular Cancer Thyroid Disease - hypo and hyperthyroidism, hashimoto’s disease unknown, but should be reasonable given requisite exposure Ulcerative Colitis Bladder Cancer Blood Cancers - Leukemia - Multiple Myeloma - Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma - Hodgkin's Lymphoma Breast Cancer Liver Cancer Pancreatic Cancer Prostate Cancer Thyroid Cancer • PC must not be currently represented by an attorney
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch guys, any info in this to share with a prospect?
We saw there is an upcoming JPML hearing as to the creation of an MDL for Suboxone which causes tooth decay. We’d love to have more information on it.
@Craig Smith @Cameron Rentch I have done a shit ton of research on this. I will share with you when you get to Miami.
@Cameron Rentch Cam, have we done any Sacaremento catholic clergy abuse?
Yes @Craig Smith a ton of it. Very picked over super expensive
@Cameron Rentch Understand. What would a rough range of cost be per?
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, I know you guys are in DC today so don't want to be a pest. But if you have a cost on Sacramento Clergy Abuse, please send. Partners are discussing later today and wanted a price range.
@Craig Smith I don’t think it is worth testing. Over 10k per and very picked over, very tight SOL
@Cameron Rentch Cam, thanks for the info. What other sex abuse campaigns are open now? I assume still room in IL at $3,200-$3,500 per?
@Craig Smith costs are higher now in IL and MI. We have some pretty large budgets to fill at the moment. Let’s touch base later. Also @Andy Rogers has a pretty good idea of what is available
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers In addition to Sex Abuse, I wanted to discuss Meso and any opportunity there. These are firms who would co-counsel with BG.... Also just go over everything we have available now and get updated criteria and pricing.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, the Saddle Rock guys have interest in starting with us on Roundup . What will it take to cap their signed retainers $4k per? We are meeting again early next week.
@Craig Smith have them forward criteria for review
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, here is saddle rock’s roundup criteria:
Must have been diagnosed with Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma (NHL) • Must be between 18-80 years old when diagnosed • Must have sprayed minimum of 2 years • Must have sprayed Roundup for at least 1 full year before being diagnosed with cancer • Must have been diagnosed: o Living Cases: 2000-current o Death Cases: 2014-current
ALL ACCEPTED NHL SUBTYPES • B‐CELL NEOPLASMS • Blastic mantle cell lymphoma • B‐lymphoblastic leukemia • B‐lymphoblastic lymphoma • B‐prolymphocytic leukemia • Burkitt lymphoma • Chronic lymphocytic leukemia • Diffuse follicle center lymphoma, grade 1 & 2 • Diffuse large B‐cell lymphoma • Diffuse mantle cell lymphoma • Extranodal marginal zone B‐cell lymphoma, MALT type • Follicular lymphoma in situ • Follicular lymphoma, grade 1,2 & 3 • Hairy cell leukemia • Hairy cell leukemia variant • Lymphoplasmacytic lymphoma • Mantle cell lymphoma in situ • Nodal marginal zone B‐cell lymphoma • Nodular mantle cell lymphoma • Plasma cell dyscrasia • Primary Central Nervous System Lymphoma • Small lymphocytic lymphoma • Splenic marginal zone B‐cell lymphoma • Splenic diffuse red pulp small B‐cell lymphoma • T/NK‐CELL NEOPLASMS • Adult T‐cell lymphoma/leukemia • Aggressive NK‐cell leukemia • Anaplastic large T/null‐cell lymphoma • Angioimmunoblastic T‐cell Lymphoma • Anaplastic Large T‐cell Lymphoma • Cutaneous CD8‐positive aggressive epidermotropic cytotoxic • Cutaneous CD4‐positive small/medium T‐cell lymphoma • Enteropathy‐type T‐cell lymphoma • Enteropathy Associated T‐cell Lymphoma • Hepatosplenic T‐cell lymphoma • Mycosis fungoides • Nasal NK/T‐cell lymphoma • NK‐cell granular lymphocytic proliferation • Peripheral NK/T‐cell lymphoma • Peripheral T‐cell lymphoma • Peripheral gamma‐delta T‐cell lymphoma • Peripheral T‐cell lymphoma, unclassifiable • Primary cutaneous CD30‐positive lymphoproliferative • Sezary syndrome • Subcutaneous panniculitis‐like T‐cell lymphoma • T‐lymphoblastic leukemia/ Lymphoma • T‐prolymphocytic leukemia • T‐cell granular lymphocytic proliferation • T‐cell lymphoproliferative disorder of childhood, Epstei
*Thread Reply:* @Craig Smith please confirm that they accept both residential AND commerical use?
*Thread Reply:* Also please confirm that we are doing signed contracts NOT sending them leads/traffic
*Thread Reply:* @Cameron Rentch yes, signed contracts
*Thread Reply:* @Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Hey Cam, based on the roundup criteria from saddle rock, can we deliver signed retainers at $4,000 per?
*Thread Reply:* @Andy Rogers @Craig Smith was researching. Yes to test at 4k. STRONG warning, although we will do everything to eliminate dual reps, they are forewarned people lie with roundup. There will be issues with this and with people that will have rejected by other law firms. We can evaluate after first 100k, may have to move up slightly in rate TBD
*Thread Reply:* @Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, understood and will communicate that to SR. Thank you
@Cameron Rentch Cam, any plans to run Uber/Lyft sexual assault?
@Craig Smith not really. Will just end up with unhappy clients.
Have already done a lot of it and turned off over 2 years ago
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, Andy asked me to reach out. I want to get Saddle Rock off to a great start and give clear expectations. I know they signed. Assuming they wire $ by end of week, would we be able to start their campaign by early to mid next week?
@Craig Smith here is what we need
- retainer agreement
- Hippa/hitech
- intake questionnaire
- email addresses for signed retainers/packets
- any details for API documentation, including any email addresses for tech people
- email addresses (google acount related or gmail) for dashboard
- Email addresses for weekly reporting
@Craig Smith if Saddlerock wants to do 50K, add language they MUST end 2nd payment when remaining funds is 20K
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, I just emailed you info for Saddle Rock RU campaign.
rec'd and replied. I need langiage added to their invoice before I sign in regards to payment^^^
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch On Friday I did have Debbie resend the invoice with new language, I'll ask him to re-sign today.
@Craig Smith @Andy Rogers remidner I need distribution for Saddlerock. We can schedule API and backfill but need to manually deliver via email to start. Since we are testing this makes sense also
@Cameron Rentch Yes, I've asked Brett and Cambria for all. I just spoke with Brett a few minutes ago. He would like to jump on a call tomorrow if possible. They are hesitant to start with manual delivery, he can explain more.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, please see two forms (MSA and Vendor Compliance) that Saddle Rock has asked you to sign.
@Craig Smith I will send to legal to review documents
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, below is the Camp Lejeune criteria from Saddle Rock. Andy will discuss with you further to get a price.
Ideally 70% 1-3 tier. 30% 4-6.
Tier 1a (per EO): Bladder Cancer Kidney Cancer Leukemia (All types, adult or childhood) Liver Cancer Non-Hodgkin lymphoma Tier 1b (per EO): Kidney disease (End stage renal (ESRD), Renal Toxicity, Chronic Kidney Disease, etc.) Multiple myeloma and myelodysplastic Syndromes Parkinson disease Systemic Sclerosis
Tier 2: Breast Cancer (male) Esophageal Cancer Lung Cancer Fetal / In Utero Issues - If pregnant while at CLJ > 30 days: -Miscarriage / Fetal Death -Congenital Cardiac Defect -Other Serious Birth Defects (Major Malformations, Neural Tube Defects, Oral Cleft Defects, Eye Defects)
Tier 3 Aplastic Anemia Brain Cancer (CNS / Central Nervous System Cancer) Breast Cancer (female) Cervical Cancer Hodgkins Disease (Lymphoma) Ovarian Cancer Prostate Cancer Rectal Cancer Soft Tissue Cancer / Sarcoma Liver Disease (Cirrhosis, Fatty Liver Disease, Hepatic Steatosis, Liver Failure)
Tier 4 ALS Bile Duct Cancer Colon Cancer (Intestinal, Appendix) Laryngeal Cancer Oral Cancer Pharyngeal Cancer Pancreatic Cancer Thyroid Cancer
Tier 5 Neurological effects (delayed reaction times problems with short-term memory, visual perception, attention, and color vision) Neurobehavioral performance deficits (i.e., delayed recall and deficits in visual perception), decreased blink reflex, and mood effects (i.e., confusion, depression, trouble concentrating, headaches, lack of cordination, sensory disturbances, and tension) Infertility (Male or female ) Low sperm count Hypersensitivity Skin Disorder Lupus Multiple sclerosis
Tier 6 Other cancers Fetal / In Utero Issues – <30 days exposure at CLJ while pregnant -Miscarriage / Fetal Death -Congenital Cardiac Defect -Other Serious Birth Defects (Major Malformations, Neural Tube Defects, Oral Cleft Defects, Eye Defects)"
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, regarding the two docs from Saddle Rock, if there are no changes from legal I can have them send to you via DocuSign. Once signed, they will pay us immediately. Any questions lmk!
I will let you know when I hear back from Legal. It’s going to be a few days. FYI in the future ask them for these documents well in advance as opposed to getting them after the fact.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, any way to expedite? Brett apologized for not giving us the docs sooner. I had no idea to even ask, never had a firm require in the past. They are eager to get started
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Hey Cam, - Andy said that you needed a couple changes on the MSA for Saddle Rock. Please let me know what they are and I’ll inform them. They can then update and send to you via DocuSign
@Craig Smith some problems/issues that have to be worked through. I will send you an email soon with what is needed. @Andy Rogers
@Craig Smith sent email. @Andy Rogers
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam - Saddle Rock will will be an MSA built for Tort Intake Professionals. They need that info, assume full business name, address and Tax ID. Could you please send me that info so I can share with them?
@Cameron Rentch @Craig Smith they are also asking why we are red lining out the insurance. Do we have insurance is what they are asking
We have tons of various insurance but for a 50K deal I am not spending money to reach out to brokers and lawyers more than we have. Next, never had to provide what the amount of insurance is. And third, their per incident amount was not reasonable
@Andy Rogers get all of the above stuff from Al^^^ for @Craig Smith
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, so it’s ok for me to reply that we do have insurance. Just not agreeable with the amount per incident, correct?
@Craig Smith you can tell them we have insurance but not having it in the msa. Not an option. That’s why we struck the entire section.
@Cameron Rentch I spoke with Brett this morning at Saddle Rock and while he said they are excited about the future with us they simply cannot do a deal without the insurance part in the MSA. I even explained that this is just an early test and lets try this first. If it turns into more and we end up doing a lot of business together but he is adamant. Here is what he sent us…
Hey guys, just to recap our conversation this morning, the insurance clause is there to protect both of us in the event that things go sideways. We have this signed with every vendor regardless of structure. As I mentioned, the only red line we’ve allowed here is dropping from $3mm to $1mm. Also, it makes sense to start the relationship with governance that will last from small to large budgets. Let me know your thoughts.
He confirmed for me that this is the last sticking point so if we can agree to this we can move forward if not then they are forced to pass.
@Andy Rogers I’ll think about it. Not at the top of my list. Have them send what their proposed changes are, each MSA for each entity, I’ll get to it but won’t be until middle of next week likely.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, for NEC could you give us a price per based on this criteria:
Baby Formula Criteria (NEC) 1 Premature birth (best case is 24-32 weeks, but fewer than 34 weeks’ gestation will work; could do 36 but these would be tough cases) 2 Must have Diagnosis of Necrotizing Enterocolitis (NEC) 2006 or later 3 Fed formula before diagnosis/injury 1 Enfamil Formula 2 Similac Formula 4 Injuries include one or more of following: 1 Intestinal perforation 2 Scarring or strictures in the intestines 3 Sepsis 4 Cerebral palsy 5 Neurological damage 6 Surgery (“short gut” is most common surgical result) 7 Death
@Craig Smith can you please get me a sample recording of the ending of a call so we can hear how Saddlerock has had other companies explain to the claimant prior to the transfer to the number that has their re-recorded message?
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers
Cam, this is their standard wrap-up script:
"Lastly, to enhance your understanding of the paperwork, I'll connect you to a brief 2-minute recording by one of our Attorneys, Tom Young. Hold for a moment while I play it. I will jump on at the end to answer any final questions as well.
**Once the recording is finished: Thank you for staying on the line for this recording. If you have any additional questions, please let us know. If not, thank you for allowing Saddle Rock Legal Group and (partner firm’s name) to represent you in your (case name). Have a great day!"
@Craig Smith this is a problem. Due to TCPA regulations our legal counsel has expressly stated we are to not use any "pre-recorded messages". Even though this may seem compliant it would be very easy for a claimant to actually file a TCPA claim. Additionally, this will cause a big delay in the time and process to secure the claimant and could result in loss of conversion and/or increased costs. I would recommend that we do the following to wrap up: "Lastly, to enhance your understanding of the paperwork, I'll connect you to a brief 2-minute recording by one of the Attorneys, Tom Young. Hold for a moment while Iwe transfer you to the SaddleRock firm. The firm will be in touch with you asap to talk about the next step in your potential case." • we will simply blind transfer to their firm and need a DID/ring to number
*Thread Reply:* @Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, could you jump on a call to discuss with a Brett at SR. I can coordinate and dial you both
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, I sent that exact language to Brett, so he has it for our call today. They are working with other companies that are doing it that way, so they don’t see it as a delay or hindering the process. I would focus on our attorneys interpretation of the tcpa violation part. We’ll all discuss today in the call at 1pm Pacific.
@Craig Smith I appreciate that they are working with other people this way, but I cant and wont do anything that our legal counsel says "we should not do". Talk soon.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch
Cam - Brett from SR just texted me:
Craig, For sure. Yep we’ll give you a DID to transfer the claimant to the recording and your intake agents are free to drop the line
Can we sign the MSAs today and get this going?
Yes @Craig Smith @Andy Rogers if someone can please have it resent to me in DocuSign the most recent version or new version and I will sign later today.
@Cameron Rentch I believe I have it. But I can’t find it on my phone. I land soon
@Craig Smith @Cameron Rentch I forwarded them to you Cam in emai
@Andy Rogers I can’t sign it as it is on your email. You are approved to sign.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch from SR below:
Here is the Asana link: https://form.asana.com/?k=1YnypEIlo3os3ClNq0D8Cg&d=1205286966411524|https://form.asana.com/?k=1YnypEIlo3os3ClNq0D8Cg&d=1205286966411524 We only need 1 ad per modality you are running per campaign.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch
Hey Cam - Keith Jackson asked me if his AFFF campaign has started yet? If you need anything from me please lmk
@Craig Smith will be starting tomorrow!
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Cam, Saddle Rock is going to release the funds (finally) to get Roundup started. Please be on the lookout for an email from Lexi with the Asana link. They need you/your team to upload 1 creative per modality. Thanks!
*Thread Reply:* @Craig Smith as soon as we get payment we will start moving forward. Tell them to send you the link I am too busy to and wont see it in my inbox. After you get it slack me the link
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Andy and Cam - I just spoke with Keith Jackson and Rob Riley regarding their AFFF campaign. They spoke with Baron and Budd and have a call tonight with Levin Pap. They are asking us to pause due to an upcoming filing deadline in April. They would like to adjust the campaign with us.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, this is the very last step before they release the wire:
And.... I forgot to attach the link for submission. Here it is: https://form.asana.com/?k=1YnypEIlo3os3ClNq0D8Cg&d=1205286966411524|https://form.asana.com/?k=1YnypEIlo3os3ClNq0D8Cg&d=1205286966411524 Hey fellas, great seeing and catching up in Vegas. As mentioned via text, please have Cam upload his landing page and 1 ad creative per modality. Once we have these and approval from Patrick, we'll release your wire and off we go. I've let Lexi know that you'll be emailing the packets to begin with and we'll manually upload on our end. Thanks, everyone.
@Craig Smith cant upload file size is too big. I am going to drop into a google folder and send to you - you can figure out how to get over to them.
@Craig Smith FYI - I did submit static ads and a URL using Saddlerock form. We have not rec'd any wire. Please advise ASAP. I need to. either get this campaign started or closed out thank you
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, they will be sending, I emailed them today as a reminder
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, Lexi from Saddle Rock emailed me to confirm wiring instructions. She has them and will send the money. They do have some requests on the ads, I'll forward to you that email now.... For IL Juv Hall and Larry Jones, he sent $100k wire that should be arriving today. He will spend more, he just wants to make sure he gets up and running as soon as possible. I think we have everything from him. Could you give me an estimated launch date for him?
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam - Keith Jackson at Riley Jackson has the same concerns about his AFFF campaign and CMO28. He only wants to run a campaign with the four cancers in the six zip codes. I know you are not interested in doing that. He is requesting that we refund his $175k.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, I received word from Saddle Rock that their wire was released. I know that Brian will let us know when it arrives.... I did see your reply regarding their disclaimers, I'll share with them and keep you posted.
Ok I can “add language” but can not delete or change our existing disclaimers etc
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, will Larry's IL Sex Abuse campaign kick off this week? I know he is eager considering some of the potential tight timelines on this one. Thank you!
@Craig Smith @Andy Rogers should be live today.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch After Larry, are we at capacity for IL Juv Hall? I'm asking because I have one other prospect with interest. Just want to give them proper expectations
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, I have a prospect with some interest running CPAP. Would you run one? If so, could you share criteria and estimated pricing? Thanks!
@Craig Smith yes we are running CPAP heavy now doing 20+ contracts per day. Current rates 2900/per need criteria
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Excellent, thanks Cam. I'll get their criteria and get back with you early next week
@Cameron Rentch Cam, would these injuries align with your current CPAP campaign:
Respiratory Injuries: Asthma COPD Pneumonitis Sarcoidosis Interstitial Lung Disease Bronchiectasis Bronchiolitis Obliterans Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome Bronchitis Lung Irritation/Inflammation Pulmonary Fibrosis
Cancer: Oral cavity Oropharynx Nasal Cavity/Sinus Nasopharynx Larynx Hypopharynx Salivary Esophageal (upper and mid)(squamous cell carcinoma) Lung Blood Thyroid
@Craig Smith yes the diagnosis are aligned.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, for Saddle Rock, please have the language below added in to our disclaimer. Once done, please send the the updated version and I'll share with them. Thanks!
Tom Young is responsible of the content of this communication. His contact information is The Saddle Rock Legal Group LLC, 7301 N. 16th Street, Suite 102, Phoenix, AZ 85020;
An attorney-client relationship is not formed by reading this communication, by calling a telephone number appearing in an ad, by sending email communications or submitting a form. An attorney-client relationship is formed only by express written mutual agreement through a retainer contract. Your use of information through this communication is at your own risk. Under no circumstances will The Saddle Rock Group LLC, any of its lawyers, agents or co-counsel be liable to you or any other individual for any special, indirect, consequential, or incidental damages arising out of the use of, or access to, this information. Legal Services do not include those involving Florida or Louisiana law. Cases not accepted for matters in Florida and Louisiana. All rights reserved.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, disclaimers are good! Last edits they asked for on the landing pages below. I explained that the $10bil was accurate, and that some of that was set aside for future payouts.
Landing Page Edits:
- There isn't a $10 Billion settlement. please edit
- Juries are consistently considering compensation claims reaching millions of dollars. Wouldn't say "consistently". Maybe "Juries have awarded several clients millions of dollars."
- Those that qualify will have an individual claim filed in a court of law for the justice and compensation they deserve. I would say "may have an individual claim filed..."
@Cameron Rentch Cam I just talked to them and they want to bump the $10bil to $11bil on both landing pages. They said $11bil is the sum total of settlments over the past 4 years so that's accurage
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, we finally got the green light to kick off the Roundup campaign for Saddle Rock! They wanted to add one email address, please see all three below. Can we send them one test email with intake, retainer, hipaa, etc?
Lexi (main contact): l.masciotti@saddlerocklegal.com Brett: b.cottrell@saddlerocklegal.com Cambria: c.mcafee@saddlerocklegal.com
@Craig Smith can you please locate, confirm and resend me the number we are to transfer the claimants to at the end of each call?
@Cameron Rentch asking them now, will let you know...
@Craig Smith fyi sent test intake today. Also, landers are updated... please confrm the ring to number and we can go live:
https://shieldjusticeteam.com/roundup-cases/ https://shieldjusticeteam.com/roundup-claims/
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, DID to transfer to is
Craig - On the retainer they are missing on the first page the Callers name on the top line and the address on the bottom three (I have attached a screenshot). Will they dq as well for the following:
• Not a US citizen • Caller does not know facility where diagnosed • Caller does not know date of birth • Last time sprayed and date of diagnosis not within 20 years • Last time spraying RU was prior to 1985 • Diagnosed with Hep B or C prior to cancer dx
@Craig Smith screenshot is blank pls resend
@Cameron Rentch yes asking them to resend ASAP
@Cameron Rentch Cam, please update this sentence to:
"juries have awarded several clients millions of dollars"
@Cameron Rentch Cam, I believe the above sentence is the last change and then we’re good. When complete, let me know. Thanks!
@Cameron Rentch Cam, I refreshed the roundup-cases landing page but still see the older language that reads "consistently considering considering compensation claims..." Like the other one, it should read "juries have awarded several clients millions of dollars" https://shieldjusticeteam.com/roundup-cases/
@Cameron Rentch See it now, thanks. We are good to go!
@Cameron Rentch Cam, just a reminder when you can to send me the CPAP criteria you are currently using... Also, we talked about a Nursing Home Negligence campaign for my new prospect in FL. He has 8 defendants to target across 17 states (I'll get all of that info). Would $50k be enough getting started for this test? Thanks!
@Craig Smith I will get CPAP over. Suggest 100K that is alt of targets and states for nursing home
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, curious if you believe the $1bil CPAP settlement will change things immediately? Criteria and/or pricing?
Unsure @Craig Smith need some time to review
@Cameron Rentch Cam sorry to be a pest but please send over CPAP criteria when you have a minute. This is a new investment group to us with a lot of potential. Thank you!... I have a call with my Nursing Home guy tomorrow, keep you posted on that one.
@Craig Smith I see you just called, sorry in a meeting. But real quick, with the CPAP do they have criteria or do you know who the co council is so we can see that?
@Craig Smith
2900-3100/per
• CPAP • 12 FULL MONTHS OF USE OF A RECALLED DEVICE PRIOR TO DIAGNOSIS DATE - • Age 74 or under at the time of Diagnosis • Nonsmoker during time of use • Must have diagnosis date for each alleged related injury • *Named Diagnosis must be within last 9 months if LA, KY, TN or PR • SOL IS BASED OFF OF THE STATE OF DIAGNOSIS (see state guideline sheet)* • Death cases must be contracted as “Representative on behalf of Decedent” Both names must be listed on the contract, include copy of Death Certificate and Probate/Estate Documents) • No Wrongful Death for LA, KY, TN, PR • Use of recalled Phillips Cpap (see below - must identify one of the 14 phillips machines listed - if not, decline) (Note: 2nd Generation DreamStation is not affected by recall & DOES NOT QUALIFY)If none of the below devices, or is a different brand different from Philips, DECLINE. • DreamStation ASV • DreamStation ST, AVAPS • SystemOne ASV4 • C Series ASV, S/T, AVAPS • OmniLab Advanced Plus In-Lab Titration Device • SystemOne (Q series) • DreamStation CPAP, Auto CPAP, BiPAP • DreamStation GO CPAP, APAP • Dorma 400, 500 CPAP • REMStar SE Auto CPAP • Trilogy 100 Ventilator • Trilogy 200 Ventilator • Garbin Plus, Aeris, LifeVent Ventilator • A-Series BiPAP V30 Auto Ventilator Diagnosis of one of the following: • Chronic Asthma • Pneumonitis • COPD • Chronic Bronchitis (must recur more than once) • Recurring Pneumonia (3+ times in 18 months) • Pulmonary Fibrosis • Scarring of the lungs • Interstitial Lung Disease • Salivary, Tongue, Lip Cancer • Sarcoidosis • Nasal Cancer • Sinus Cancer • Nasopharynx cancer • Throat cancer • Thyroid cancer – (Death Cases Only) • Lung Cancer • Kidney Cancer • Bladder Cancer • Liver Cancer • Lymphoma • Multiple Myeloma • Malignant Tumors • Leukemia
@Cameron Rentch Thank you! Ok to share the spreadsheet as well, or no?
yes, but get an NDA signed please @Craig Smith
we dont want them sharing or circulating our criteria
@Cameron Rentch Cam, any Roundup leads/signed retainer yet for Saddle Rock? I'm talking to them this afternoon. I am working with Greg, Luke and Andy to make sure they are set up so it goes smoothly!
just launched nothing signed yet @Craig Smith
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, just had a great call with my Nursing Home prospect, Blair Mendes, in Tampa. Soon I'll get you all of the states he wishes to target. Here is some initial info he shared with me: ---- Craig,
We would love hospital pressure sore cases in FL. HCA or Kindred
The below chains are defendants that we will take cases against in any state. (We are licensed in 17 states). For instance, we would love any Genesis cases, but would focus on WV, PA, and NM. For Georgia, I included a couple chains (Pruitt and Ethica) that are primarily GA since we have had good success with cases against them. But note, that Pruitt also has homes in FL so we would love any FL Pruitt cases. I also included specific homes in FL if easier.
In FL, Sovereign and Life care services (different than Life Care) are really good for us. I tried to include links to their homes.
Then Brookdale and Life Care are always good defendants.
I know this is a lot, so if I can make it any easier for you, just let me know. I can try to break them down by individual homes or states if needed.
Chains Genesis https://www.genesishcc.com/findlocations Life Care Services https://www.lifecareservices.com/ Locations - https://www.nursinghomedatabase.com/find/people Brookdale Senior Living https://www.brookdale.com/en.html Goodman Group https://thegoodmangroup.com/ Sovereign no website, locations - https://www.nursinghomedatabase.com/owner/SOVEREIGN%20HEALTHCARE%20HOLDINGS%20%20LLC Life Care https://lcca.com/ Pacifica https://pacificaseniorliving.com/communities/ Discovery senior Living https://www.discoveryseniorliving.com/discovery-senior-living-communities/ Pruitt https://www.nursinghomedatabase.com/owner/PRUITTHEALTH%20INC?expand_article=1 Ethica https://www.ethicahealth.org/clientcenters
Individual facilities in FL Orlando Health Ctr in Ocoee, FL Claridge House in North Miami Chateau at Moorings Park in Naples Gainesville HR Keystone Place at Terra Bella Superior Residences of Brandon ALF Ponce H&R Fountains of Melbourne ALF) Bayshore Memory Care Ventura H&R in Boynton Beach Winter Haven Post Acute and Rehab Trinity Regional Rehab in New Port Richey East Bridge of Cutler Bay Rehab Center at Jupiter Gardens Arbor Terrace at Citrus Park ALF Fountain of Hope ALF Sabal Palms ALF River Valley Rehab in Blountstown, FL Addington Place at College Harbor Timber ridge N&R The W ALF at Pompano Beach Luxe at Wellington Courtyard Plaza ALF Tri County NH Somberby Lake Nona ALF Marion Oaks ALF Fountains at Mill Cove Wickshire Ft Lauderdale Oakview Terrace ALF St. Camilus Rehab in Sebring The Pavilion of Downtown Venice ALF Trinity Springs Magnolia Manor ALF in Lutz, FL Mease Manor The Pointe ALF Riverside Cottage ALF Lafayette N&R
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, more here on Nursing Home states:
Craig - States we would take cases regardless of chains: FL GA WV PA KY
States we would take non chain cases but be a little picky Mississippi NC SC Ohio
Other states we would take cases depending on chains New Mexico
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, do you have any time for a short call on this nursing home campaign? Today, tomorrow or even Monday? Just want to make sure I'm communicating everything to the firm
@Craig Smith let's schedule for Monday. Tied up today and heading to vegas afternoon for mtgs today and tomorrow
@Cameron Rentch Cool, I'll send invite for Monday. If the time does not work for you, feel free to adjust. Thanks!
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, just wanted your thoughts on the Roundup campaign so far. I know its just Week 1. The SR people just texted me today so I wanted to give them any info. Thanks!
We have generated a number of leads and are in process of reaching potential claimants. Low spend this week just testing creatives, should see more activity next week.
@Craig Smith Here is the reconciliation for April sales.
• Craig: -$0 paid (You earned $4,000 this month but owe back $7,000 from 4%n chargeback of $175,000 from Keith Jackson, leaving a negative of $3,000 going into May) ◦ Jones:$100,000 at 2% ◦ SaddleRock: $50,000 at 4% ◦ Jackson charge back of $7,000 commissions
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, it looks like the first Roundup signed retainer came through on Sat. for Saddle Rock. Lexi saw that in lookerstudio but has not received the email yet with the case info. She texted me this morning and asked me about it, so just checking on that for her.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, SR just sent me a criteria update that is different from the original insertion order. Please see below and lmk if this will affect the price. Thanks! ---- Craig, We have had a criteria update for Roundup since signing the original Insertion Order. We are now only accepting living cases 2004 - present or if prior to 2004 must have had recurrence post 2004. Let me know if you have any questions! Lexi
Major difference @Craig Smith that cuts out alot of years. We would need to increase rates to 5500/per
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, I know you're at the dentist so respond at your leisure: For Nursing Home campaign I have 3 questions:
- Would you need any more info from the client around targeting (facilities, states, criteria, etc.)?
- Based on previous nursing home campaigns, what you expect the cost per signed retainer to be on the high side. I know it will be a test, but wanted to give him a general idea.
- Could he start with us at $50k spend instead of $100k? He'll spend unlimited if it goes well. Last year his firm did 350 cases and would be happy to double that if the market permits. So you know, their firm currently pays Morgan and Morgan and other firms referral fees, so getting cases directly is a priority. Their average case value is $240k. 40% attorneys fees comes to $96k per. $24k of that goes to Morgan and Morgan (25% fee on back end).
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, I just spoke with Brett at SR regarding their updates criteria for Roundup. I explained that we woild do our very best to keep the cost down, but the tighter criteria makes the price go up. To keep going, he’s asking us to cap the costs at $5,000 for this initial campaign (and to send any cases at lower costs if possible). He tells me other vendors are still at $4,000-$4,500. I DID reiterate our quality and QA process and he understands that.
@Craig Smith @Andy Rogers FYI we have declined 9 out of the last 10 roundup claimaints due to dual rep issues. I am going to give it one more week, but if we dont see results I want to pivot to another campaign.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, my Nursing Home guy in FL is ready to go. I confirmed with him that they ARE licensed in all 17 states. I'll get an invoice to him for initial $50k test but he also agree to do another $50k as a part of the test once we got rolling. And of course, unlimited after that assuming things go well as expected. Any questions for me at this time, please let me know.
@Craig Smith get state by state criteria, facility names, any relevant news articles, intake questionnaire and retainer/hippa. Good job
@Cameron Rentch yes I'll be gathering all of that info!
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Hey Cam, it looks like the Roundup campaign for SR is not taking off. I have a call with them tomorrow. I'll do my BEST to see if they will move the balance to a difference campaign. If not, they have invested $50k and we've sent 1 retainer at $4k. Would refund be $46k, or are there other costs to them involved here?
@Craig Smith yeah exactly why I was super hesitant. I believe it is really really picked over, and that most centers are signing up alot of dual reps. We caught 5 of the claimaints attempting to lie during intake to eventually admit they had signed up with a lawyer but the lawyers havent called them in years. Please remember, we do not do refunds. Please ensure you make this a verbal and written point in your discussions with people. We can always shift the funds to something else. However, with them, I am fine with refunding it. We will give it another 4-5 days to see how the remaining leads we have generated pan out. Please bump your call to next week, after Tuesday.
@Cameron Rentch understand on all parts, thank for the quick reply
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, below is NEC criteria from a prospective client. Looks like they got it from Keller Postman. What would we quote as a price per?
NEC Infant Formula Criteria Child was born after 1/1/2006 Child was born prematurely (<37 weeks gestation) Child was fed Enfamil or Similac cow’s milk-based formula or fortifier Child was diagnosed with NEC after being fed the formula or fortifier Client is not working with any other law firm
@Cameron Rentch Cam, if we went back to 2002, let me know if the price would be any lower
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch have we done anything with LINX Reflux? I have a prospect
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, I’m looking for options to move SR into if we stop Roundup. For Hair Relaxer, what is current price per with this criteria:
back to 2005 Ovarian Uterine Endometrial Under 75yrs old
@Craig Smith I just spoke with Cam about this and he asked me to get the intake document from them on this as they are a bit all over the place and he wnats to make absolutely sure.
@Andy Rogers just asked Brett to send to me. will forward upon receipt
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, for PFAS (ELG criteria confirmed by Andy), what is our price per signed retainer?
@Andy Rogers @Craig Smith send Brian the details for refund to Saddlerock and we can issue the refund on Tuesday next week, for the remaining balance. Please note we need to deduct any commissions paid.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, would hair relaxer be a good campaign for SR? Do we have a good flow coming in? I’m talking to Shawn later today
Yes @Craig Smith but I thought you mentioned we were too expensive
@Cameron Rentch I think they realize that’s closer to the going rate now. They will decide if they could drop it altogether, or stay in and pay the going rate
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Cam, I believe PA and NJ have different age requirements for their SA cases. Could you please share current full criteria for each? Andy did already share the pricing. Thx!
@Andy Rogers can connect with you @Craig Smith
Ages NJ = 55 or under PA = born after Nov 1986
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Cam, I had a great follow up call with Bay Point earlier this week. This morning they sent me an email and want to kick off PFAS and Powerport within the next two weeks. Large budgets. They shared their criteria for each and want our pricing based on that. I'll forward you the email now. If easier, I can attached everything in Slack.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, on Powerport see some info below from Simmons. There are no limits on years or cut offs on this one. What would the price per be? I've also attached the same PDF I emailed yesterday
MDL Judge David Campbell (Arizona): Judge Campbell oversaw a substantially similar MDL (Bard IVC filter) and appears to have a good grasp of what to do with these cases. It’s notable that Judge Campbell oversaw a $3.6MM verdict in the IVC cases that facilitated settlements. His comments and orders so far seem to indicate that he knows what he’s doing and knows how to get us to the finish line. More on that below.
BW Pool Closed: There are 150 cases pending in the MDL. Judge Campbell closed the BW pool, picked 24 cases for workup, and will schedule 6 BW trials for late 2025 through September 2026. He has made clear to leadership that the cases are either settled or remanded by the close of BW trials in September 2026.
SOLs and New Cases: From a pragmatic perspective, because Judge Campbell has already closed the BW pool and essentially told the parties that there won’t ever be another BW pool, Leadership and I agree that it is unlikely that cases that are filed now will face strict SOL scrutiny by defendants. My opinion is that this will give SHC more flexibility to keep new intakes/referrals and avoid rejecting/declining clients based on expired SOLs.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Below is our Powerport criteria from 2023, would this be close to applicable now? I want to give something for BP to reference.
Patient received Bard Implanted Port Catheter and had one or more of the following complications: Catheter fracture Perforations of tissue and organs / vascular damage Hemorrhaging or bleeding injuries Death only if caused by one of the above complications rather than cancer AND death certificate required
Models permitted: PowerPort Models Powerflow Models SlimPort Models X-Port Models (For identification, patient may have received ID card or colored rubber bracelet.)
• Injured party does not live in Michigan • Injured party living in Alabama, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Virginia – only if complications occurred in 2022 or later • If patient is deceased: patient did not live in Michigan, Alabama, Indiana, or Pennsylvania • In all other states, diagnosis must be within past 10 years • No current or previous attorney representation
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, I did get the Bard PowerPort questions from them, please see attached. In short, this is very broad, no state by state limitations or anything statute related. Just a person who had a Bard PowerPort device and had issues/injuries, they will take it. Based on this and the attached, are you able to give me a price per? Thanks!
@Cameron Rentch Cam, can you give me a price on PowerPort?
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, Bay Point is ready to move forward with $500,000 for the two campaigns (PFAS and Bard). Today, I really need the MSA and MNDA signed so I can get to them before their partner meeting tomorrow. I believe Andy has forwarded you both. I'm excited about this one. Call me with any questions.
@Craig Smith Legal is reviewing, we can move any faster at the moment there are multiple docs for review and edits.
good works we will send edits with change requests hopefully later today, early tomorrow am
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, thank you. Today would be ideal to give them time to review before tomorrow. These guys are moving fast, so that's a good thing!
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, just making sure that Larry Jones is back in the rotation on the BG Asbestos campaign?
@Craig Smith did we get his funds for this?
how much did he send us for Asbestos?
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Yes, on June 4th we received $200k total to extend both of his campaigns. $100k for each - Asbestos and IL Juv Hall
@Craig Smith @Andy Rogers update on Baypoint?
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, them on Friday:
Craig,
Appreciate the explanation and understood on non-responsive clients. We are taking PFAS to our IC on Monday. Once approved, we will move forward with signing documents and funding the first tranche. Have a great weekend, Scott Duncan
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, for the Mendes Nursing Home campaign, I just emailed you his HIPAA and retainer agreements. There are several because he has one for each state. Lmk what else you need on this one. Thanks!
@Craig Smith can we please get intake questionnaire Distribution list for sign ups Link to website Name and email for any cases that require review
Thanks
To confirm can you please also send base criteria for sign ups including each state specific SOL info(ie how far back we can go when signing claimants in each state) List of confirmed states we are allowed to market in
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, below just now from Scott at Bay Point. I wanted your thoughts.
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Craig – Following up on PFAS based on feedback from our Investment Committee. Would love to find a way to make this work. We received pricing, and are moving forward, with vendors pricing PFAS campaigns in the $1,900-$2,100 range. At this CPC, these vendors would need to reach 70%+ fallout to hit the net cost per case that Shield is charging gross (with 0% fallout). We understand Shield’s quality will likely outpace the other vendors’, but their value would need to be significantly higher to breakeven. Is there a way to modify the mix of injuries and/or % of CMO6 to derive a lower CPC? We believe a number closer to $2,500 per case would make this work. Happy to schedule a call to discuss. Scott Duncan
@Craig Smith first and foremost, send me the exact criteria documents from Baypoint. I don’t even know what criteria you’re even talking about.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, their quote includes the PFAS catch-all criteria includes the CMO 6 along with categories B and C (what ELG has used, see attached). Pricing we quoted Bay Point is $3,400-$3,700 per.
@Craig Smith for reference our 3400-3700 is only for the top 6 (liver, kidney, thyroid disease, thyroid cancer, testicular cancer, ulcerative colitis). If they will take the other diagnosis (prostate, bladder, pancreatic) we can do 2300
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Thanks Cam, I must have misunderstood. I thought CMO 6 pricing was $6,500 per. I have a call with Scott tomorrow to discuss
Pretty sure I was the oone that gave the wrong pricing. I must have misunderstood Cam.
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers seems to help so will keep u guys posted after the call
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, just so I'm clear when I talk to them. The doc from Bay Point/ELG defines Categories A and B below. We could offer a mix at $2,300 per, correct? If that's the case, I'd just quote a range of $2,300-$2,500 to give us some room.
Category A Injuries - most highly linked - Target these injuries **Approximate minimum latency - duration between first exposure and diagnosis Kidney Cancer 15 years, but can be less for aggressive cancer types Testicular Cancer 15 years, but can be less for aggressive cancer types Liver Cancer 12 years Thyroid Cancer 5 years Thyroid Disease - hypo and hyperthyroidism, hashimoto’s disease 2 years Ulcerative Colitis 2 years
Category B Injuries - hierarchy Prostate Cancer 15 years, but can be less for aggressive cancer types 5 years Breast Cancer 15 years 5 years Pancreatic Cancer 10 years 5 years Bladder Cancer 4 years 4 years
yes @Craig Smith if they will take category C as well, we can do for 1900-2100
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam Ok, I'll present both options to them. Curious, would you prefer they run one over the other?
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, good news. I just emailed you the four signed documents from Bay Point. Could you execute and return to them this morning? I'll have our invoice team send them the invoice/wire instructions for $250k.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, glad I looked at their MSA. They are starting with $500k
@Craig Smith can you possibly have them send it docusign to me? I can sign them digitial but cant type anything on the docs and do not have a printer
@Craig Smith I rec'd and signed the docusigns. please get all documents asap, be sure to put accurate criteria on invoicing. BTW what criteria did they go with?
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, they are doing A B C
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Bay Point initiated the wire so $ should hit today or tomorrow
Great job. Can you get the joint retainers and hippa stuff
@Craig Smith if you can get me the retainer docs today, we can get test sent over. We have run PFAS before for ELG so are cloning the intake. We can then go live on Monday
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Thanks Cam . I’ve asked them for retainer docs and will forward upon receipt
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Guys just an update on Bay Point. They said they wired $ Thurs but has not arrived yet. I have Scott Duncan talking to Brian this morning to track FED #. Keep u posted… I just emailed you both info from them regarding integration.
yes @Craig Smith if you can get the FED ref number we can track it
@Cameron Rentch yep I asked Scott to send to us
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch just now from Scott to Brian:
“Our fund admin sent using ACH instructions rather than wire, so it bounced back. We are resending now. Let me know when it hits.”
ok @Craig Smith ask them to grab FED ref number when they send, paste it to me. @Andy Rogers I need you to PELASE email Jonathan Sharp ASAP, get Baypoint/ELG PFAS joint retainer that the claimant signs, along with Hippa/hitech. I need this ASAP, within an hour.
@Cameron Rentch @Craig Smith Guys I just called ELG and they sent me the Hippa and the Joint Retainer
Craig please get the distribution list to Cameron ASAP
@Craig Smith please circulate an email to me - quick intro to the Bridge people. Please let Baypoint know that we will be starting via email distribution initially, any API we build can be backfilled. This way we are able to get started immediately
@Cameron Rentch Cam will do. I did let Scott know that we would start with the manual process and he was cool with that
@Craig Smith just forwarded you test retainer packet please have firm approve then we can get started!
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, attached is a revised retainer packet. Evan from BP talked to Jonathan Sharp at ELG today and this is the latest.
@Craig Smith @Andy Rogers updated test sent please have firm review and approve
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Cam, I'm getting ahead of this one. Their $100k wire will arrive today or tomorrow. Attached are the Smart Advocate mapping instructions for the Lakin/AFG PA Sex Abuse. Below from Brad Lakin:
Craig, Please make sure we don’t start until integration is working. It causes a bunch of problems internally with automated procedures etc. When the integration team is ready, please have them use words test in first and last name and let us know to check on our end. Thanks!
@Cameron Rentch Cam, looks like I forgot to attach. Here it is.
@Craig Smith did Baypoint approve updated test retainer?
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Scott at Bay Point reviewed the updated test retainer. He said if we are aligned with ELG, begin the campaign.
@Cameron Rentch Cam, once Lakin $ arrives for PA SA, how long will the Smart Advocate integration take?
@Craig Smith integrations are running 10-14 business days at the moment
@Cameron Rentch I assume if we sent any manual retainers in the beginning, those would be added in when integration is complete?
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch are we running latter-day saints campaigns?
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, please see attached the updated version from Lakin. I'm trying to talk him into starting with us ASAP with manual leads instead of waiting for the integration. To help, could you send me a sample email of an intake on a PA (or other state) sex abuse campaign so I can share with him/his team
@Craig Smith dash for Baypoint. Let me know whom we need to add from their end. Remeber, needs to be an email address associated with a G-suite or google account https://lookerstudio.google.com/reporting/0cc0b515-c512-4c0d-862b-d1727dbf3503/page/ASVvC
we signed 3 yesterday...already 3 this morning
@Craig Smith PA abuse intake template
@Craig Smith I need the following:
- email addresses for whom to connect with at Lakin for API integration OR the contact they use at Smart Advocate
- retainer and hippa
- Does Lakin want our VSS team to complete the long firm secondary interview for PA juv abuse claimants? Reminder the VSS team are Certified Social Workers and Crisis Counselors. The interviews take about 90-120 min on average. For other firms we do this as close to real time as possible now. This is charged on a per completed interview dependent on the time an range from 250-400/per.
@Cameron Rentch Cam, I'll ask Brad if he wants to use our VSS team. Is the intake form you shared above for the first interview or the secondary interview with the VSS team?
@Cameron Rentch regarding VSS team, Brad has some interest. Can you share a form or the depth you go into with them on the 90-120 minute call? He sees the value of the additional info and it would be less on his staff.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, for PA SA with Lakin, he IS cool with starting with the email/manual leads as you work to get the Smart Advocate integration going. Assuming $100,000 ACH arrives tomorrow or Fri., he'd like to kick the campaign off next Mon. or Tues. of next week if that works.
@Craig Smith I will share long form interview. Can you please have invoicing sent to firm^^
@Craig Smith just FYI already 10 PFAS signed today
@Cameron Rentch thank you. Invoicing has already been sent and signed. ACH initiated today. I'll also let Malissa know as she emailed me a bit ago.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam - Couple of questions from Lakin:
- Do you request and obtain ID (drivers license etc) during initial sign up?
- Can we have the client electronically fill in the SSN on HIPPA releases at time of sign up? (this maybe be more of question for integration). We’re just asking now because we’re putting together procedures/tasks for our team once we receive the initial sign up info.
@Craig Smith
- we utilize a system called "Dentity" (seen here: https://www.dentity.com/). We do verify the ID using their platform, but we do NOT store the PII intentionally. We can create the firm it's own link/account where they can API the PII (copy of DL directly to their system, we do not have anywhere to securely store this). There is a nominal fee for each of these, but we cn do this during the QA process, prior to secondary interview.
- Our policy is to ASK for the SSN. Many claimants get nervous about providing during initial call, so we explain that we require at least the last 4 to ensure we can verify their identity when the law firm calls them. We typically collect this on the intake, not the HIPPA.
@Craig Smith can you pls confirm that we can start the Lakin PA juv abuse campaign and backfill the API when done? I think brad said this is ok - but want to confim.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Yes, that’s correct. You can start it now
great we should be live today. Can you confirm the distro for me @Craig Smith ^
hey @Craig Smith dont think we have retainer and hippa can you please repost for me?
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam - Just two for Distribution, see names below. For the retainer and HIPAA, I believe Brad send to Levinson? I can ask him again now. Brad Lakin: BradL@championsfortheinjured.com Matt Cheatham: MattC@championsfortheinjured.com
@Cameron Rentch I just spoke with Brad, he's getting the retainer and HIPAA over to me today. I'll attach in Slack as soon as I receive
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, here you go
@Cameron Rentch Cam if you need anything else before you kick this one off, lmk. Thanks!
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, wanted to connect on a few things before the holiday:
- I'm working with Bay Point on dates to visit Vegas. I know you're headed on vaca and then to Penn State with your daughter. Would July 24 and 25 work for you? If so I'll float to the BP guys.
- When will the Lakin PA SA campaign kick off? If it's next week that's cool just want to give Lakin a heads up.
- Larry's IL SA campaign looks slow. Do you expect it to pick up soon? If not, should we move his balance to PA or another state if he agrees?
@Craig Smith
- I’ll circle back
- Started yesterday we signed 2 already
- Everything slow this week with holiday
@Cameron Rentch Cam, can you please make sure that Brad and Matt at SL Chapman are receiving the emails once retainers are signed. Thx!
@Craig Smith Brad had me remove their personal emails and add two email distribution emails.
@Cameron Rentch Ok. I assume the two signed retainers have been sent to those two distro emails?
@Cameron Rentch it his Brad's spam, he found it all good!
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Have great 4th holiday!
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch For the Bay Point visit to Vegas, they like the week of July 29th. Is there a day that works for both of you guys?
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, are we currently running a Mormon abuse campaign? If so, what is cost and criteria? If not, would you consider or is it too picked over?
@Craig Smith all criteria dependent. Ca only? In statute or anyone? Type of abuse. All in the details. We have run very successful campaigns on this but huge variations in cost
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, this is from Sean at Bay Point:
“I just want to verify that you are sending these through Torticity. They do not believe they are receiving these thus far. Thanks.”
@Craig Smith we are waiting for them to respond to integration questions. Reminder we will be back filling. I did ask them for email addresses to manually send but they have not replied. I will follow up.
@Cameron Rentch Thank you. Once integration is complete, please lmk so I can get back with Sean and the other BP guys
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, on PA SA, Adair/Lakin want to invest next round $250k. Adair is traveling but will be able to send the money next Tuesday. Can we keep campaign going without interruption? Also making sure we’re still at the $5,400-$6,000 per
@Cameron Rentch yup, I already spoke with him about it.
Cam - Bay Point is looking at early August to move forward with the Bard PowerPort campaign. Just making sure the price would still be $1,600-$1,800 per?
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, could you share latest pricing for Sex Abuse in MI, NJ and NH?
Andy already updated me on CA and I know PA. Thanks!
@Craig Smith I know Cameron is making some changes in deploying but that’s his gig no one wants me doing thqt.
Right now pricing is around:
New Jersey: $5,000 - $5,500 New Hampshire: $5,500 - $6,000 Michigan: $4,000 - $4,400 be aware that BG is NOT taking Michigan anymore
@Craig Smith Good morning Craig, it looks like we are right at the half way point for Baypointe. We do not want to get to a place where we are wondering about a renewal and get into an over delivery situation. Please confirm with them that typically at 65-70% of delivery we ask for a renewal if they are planning to continue. Cameron needs this for media buying purposes. Thank you
@Craig Smith yes, also we are going to start scaling this campaign so the daily sign ups should start to double this week
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam and Andy, I will let BP know and also find out about their round of $ on PFAS. Keep you guys posted.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, could you let me know about status of integration for Bay Point? Also on Lakin (I believe his is Smart Advocate). Thanks!
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam - Brian Adair wants to invest with BG on both NJ and NH Juv Halls. He wants to start with $100k and move up from there. Can on agreement read $50k for each state? Or does it require two separate agreements? I'll make sure Dan Levinson is aware and has all paperwork completed on that end.
@Craig Smith we need at least 100 in each.
@Cameron Rentch Ok. So he could pick one state and start with $100k, correct? Like with Lakin, he's going to invest more, just wants to get off the ground with BG with $100k
@Cameron Rentch Ok, he may ask why one over the other. Is there more volume in NJ? Would one potentially settle sooner or too early to tell?
NJ is active, We have not run NH in over a year, so we would have to "re-test" it
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam - Please see update below from Bay Point:
We’re tapped out on PFAS at the end of this campaign (for now). Depending on performance, we intend to return to IC to ask for an increased allocation. Funding occurring mid-August. We may also look at AFFF with you guys if the economics work.
For visit to Vegas, July 29-30th works for us. Will be Evan & I (Sean is travelling). Planning to fly-in Monday early afternoon and depart the following morning.
We are moving forward with PowerPort. What is a realistic starting allocation based on current volume? Is $1,600-1,800/retainer still a decent range?
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Saddle Rock may have interest in PFAS and/or AFFF. Keep you guys posted.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, for Saddle Rock (PFAS), would the criteria below change pricing at all?
Category A-1 Injuries
- Kidney Cancer
- Testicular Cancer Category A-2 Injuries
- Thyroid Disease (including: Hyperthyroidism, Hypothyroidism, Thyroiditis, Hashimoto’s Disease, Grave’s Disease, Goiter, Thyroid Nodules)
- Ulcerative Colitis
- Pregnancy induced hypertension (A.K.A. Preeclampsia)
- Low Birthweight** (5 pounds or less for the newborn) – when associated with Pregnancy induced hypertension by the child’s mother. Category B-1 Injuries
- Liver Cancer
- Thyroid Cancer
- Prostate Cancer – only where diagnosed at or before age 55**
@Craig Smith re powerport should be increased a bit especially to prepare for election time frame cost increases. 2200-2400/per.
Re Saddlerock, we’ve never taken 5/6, and I think they are not looking at the CMO 28 from the MDL so suggest we don’t take those. Therefore they are taking a the 6 cmo diagnoses + prostate under 55.
AFFF = 4500-5000/per PFAS = see prior pricing we offered Baypoint
@Cameron Rentch What do you estimate the flow will be with PowerPort? I think they would consider starting at $250k if decent flow
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam - Attorney Blair Mendes (Mendes, Reins & Wilander) is back in the office and has provided more details for their Nursing Home/Assisted Living Abuse campaign. I had emailed you retainer and HIPAA info a few weeks ago. I'll resend now. Below is additional info you requested. I will get the intake questionnaire over to you soon as well.
States/SOL: NC: 3 yrs for PI/ med mal and 2 yrs WD. MS: 2 yrs / same w/ WD (assuming not sovereign immune then 1 yr) GA: 2 yrs for WD (tolling for estate claims, not to exceed 5 yrs) FL: 2 yrs / same w/ WD WV: 1 yr / same w/ WD PA: 2 yrs / same w/ WD SC: 3 yrs / same w/ WD KY: 1 yr / same w/ WD TN: 1 yr / same w/ WD NM: 3 yrs / same w/ WD (govt or public entity, then 2 yrs)
Distribution Emails: intaketeam@mrwlawgroup.com blair@mrwlawgroup.com
Link to current website: https://www.mrwlawgroup.com/
Main contact: Blair Mendes - blair@mrwlawgroup.com
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, I also wanted to reshare the info below for the Nursing home campaign. Blair had sent early on, thought it would be helpful for media team targeting:
Craig - not sure if you are able to target this specifically but any hospital pressure sore cases in FL. HCA or Kindred
The below chains are defendants that we will take cases against in any state. (We are licensed in 17 states). For instance, we would love any Genesis cases, but would focus on WV, PA, and NM. I know we don’t handle your Ga. cases but I included a couple chains (Pruitt and Ethica) that are primarily GA since we have had good success with cases against them. Maybe if you get a case against them that no one else wants we can get a look.
But note, that Pruitt also has homes in FL so we would love any FL Pruitt cases. I also included specific homes in FL if easier.
In FL, Sovereign and Life care services (different than Life Care) are really good for us. I tried to include links to their homes.
Then Brookdale and Life Care are always good defendants.
I know this is a lot, so if I can make it any easier for you, just let me know. I can try to break them down by individual homes or states if needed As always we appreciate our relationship and look forward to working more cases together.
Chains Genesis https://www.genesishcc.com/findlocations Life Care Services https://www.lifecareservices.com/ Locations - https://www.nursinghomedatabase.com/find/people Brookdale Senior Living https://www.brookdale.com/en.html Goodman Group https://thegoodmangroup.com/ Sovereign no website, locations - https://www.nursinghomedatabase.com/owner/SOVEREIGN%20HEALTHCARE%20HOLDINGS%20%20LLC Life Care https://lcca.com/ Pacifica https://pacificaseniorliving.com/communities/ Discovery senior Living https://www.discoveryseniorliving.com/discovery-senior-living-communities/ Pruitt https://www.nursinghomedatabase.com/owner/PRUITTHEALTH%20INC?expand_article=1 Ethica https://www.ethicahealth.org/clientcenters
Individual facilities in FL Orlando Health Ctr in Ocoee, FL Claridge House in North Miami Chateau at Moorings Park in Naples Gainesville HR Keystone Place at Terra Bella Superior Residences of Brandon ALF Ponce H&R Fountains of Melbourne ALF) Bayshore Memory Care Ventura H&R in Boynton Beach Winter Haven Post Acute and Rehab Trinity Regional Rehab in New Port Richey East Bridge of Cutler Bay Rehab Center at Jupiter Gardens Arbor Terrace at Citrus Park ALF Fountain of Hope ALF Sabal Palms ALF River Valley Rehab in Blountstown, FL Addington Place at College Harbor Timber ridge N&R The W ALF at Pompano Beach Luxe at Wellington Courtyard Plaza ALF Tri County NH Somberby Lake Nona ALF Marion Oaks ALF Fountains at Mill Cove Wickshire Ft Lauderdale Oakview Terrace ALF St. Camilus Rehab in Sebring The Pavilion of Downtown Venice ALF Trinity Springs Magnolia Manor ALF in Lutz, FL Mease Manor The Pointe ALF Riverside Cottage ALF Lafayette N&R
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam and Andy, below is when the BP guys are coming in to Vegas... Adair wants to invest much more as well, he might be able to meet on Monday morning before the BP guys arrive. Your thoughts? If it's too much for one day, I understand. We can find another time.
Craig - We Booked our flights to LV. Arriving Monday, 7/29 at 11:21 AM and departing the next day at 8:30 AM. Planning to stay at the Cosmo. -Scott Duncan, Bay Point Advisors
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, I received another call from the Bay Point guys this morning. They said that the Torticity has not been set up yet? They are asking us to communicate with them and get that set up ASAP. I'll forward you the email again now with the names of the people at Torticity. Thanks.
@Craig Smith I’ll give you an update but we have been communicating with them repeatedly.
@Cameron Rentch Thanks Cam. Any update would be great and I'll share with the BP guys
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, I wanted to follow up on a few items:
- Please provide a Larry Jones/IL Juv Hall update. Only 1 over the past month, do you see this one picking up soon?
- For the Mendes Nursing Home campaign, do you need any more info from me? Do you have an idea as to when this one will commence?
- I wanted to give Bay Point an update on the Torticity integration? Anything to share that I can pass along to them, please lmk.
- Dan Levinson sent us an email earlier. I'm having Jon give Brian Glasser a heads up so I think we will be good on that. I'll keep you posted.
Thanks!
@Craig Smith
- I will check on LJ IL Abuse. Stay tuned
- I will let you know on the Mendes campaign, reviewing today
- Baypoint a. We have reached out to Torticity and are awaiting a reply (They have not yet replied to our most recent calls and emails. We can do this integration very quickly but need them to engage with our team. Of note, we have been delayed on API integrations but we have communicated this. Once done, we can backfill. b. We have received a reply from Bridge Legal (see attached screenshot). They stated they were going to talking with Baypoint yesterday to see if the API integration was still needed
- Got it
@Craig Smith update on items 3. Torticity just replied so we should have progress update tomorrow.
@Cameron Rentch Thanks Cam! I'll let the BP guys know... Appreciate the other updates as well.
@Craig Smith @Andy Rogers good morning - FYI, I have a conflict and can not make it to Vegas until Monday around 1PM. Hopefully Baypoint will stay to have dinner Monday night? Also - if possible perhaps see if they can meet a bit later, say 130PM start?
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, that should not be a problem. I'll reach out and see if I can push back to 1:30pm pst... I just sent an email to Dave about scheduling a dinner for all of us Monday night. Will be 7 total: Scott Duncan, Evan Atkinson, Jon Becker, Todd Mathews, Cam, Andy, Craig
@Craig Smith I’ll handle the dinner for Monday night. Let Dave know
@Cameron Rentch do we have any current Uber/Lyft assault campaigns going? Have a prospective client who asked
@Craig Smith We have run this campaign before (approx 2 years ago). We did well but it is important to note that our experience shows that a good portion of the claimants were ultimately DQ'ed/rejected due to lack of credibility, being intoxicated/under the influence, and/or having prior criminal records that result in the firm rejecting the cases. We do our absolute best to mitigate these issues but it is something to be aware of.
Our estimated acquisition cost on these is 5000-6000/per, but we really need to test 100K. This is due to limited SOL's and a tight "cut off" in the 2 year states, which represent the majority of the state SOL's. I would NOT recommend doing this campaign as I think 1) there are far better opportunities and 2) it is likely to not be very successful and may leave a bad taste in their mouth
@Craig Smith I actually just had a firm contact me about this as well. This was my reply:
I believe we spoke about this last week and I told you I would look into it. Bottomline is the the Uber/Lyt are very difficult and not a campaign I recommend. We are able to get a lot of inquiries but they fall out, or have spoken with a lot of other attorneys or are flat out lying. Look I would l love to have you working more campaigns with us, and I know if you call around someone WILL take your money on it, but I would be very cautious. I do NOT think it will work.
I believe I told you about the Chowchilla cases that I think you should go after in Northern California right away. Here is the quick 411 on these cases. They are essentially the same fact pattern and issues that we just did in the Dublin prison cases in Northern California as well. They just settled 140 of those cases for $140M.
Chowchilla was originally challenged under government immunity but the has been overcome. They are essentially in a position of looking to settle now. I am happy to get you more info on that.
I would also be willing to get use some pricing for Uber but I strongly recommended against paying us for it.
Lastly, we are essentially done on your VGA so please let me know about continuing that today if you can.
THank you!!
Andy
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Just texted you both but making sure you see this from Scott at Bay Point:
Craig –
We have terribly inconvenient news. We need to push our Vegas trip to the week of the 12th (if that works for Shield). We have obligations related to our Q2 reporting that need to be addressed with a third-party next week.
I’m very sorry for the late notice. We had everything booked, so hopefully there is a window in two week that works.
Appreciate your understanding. Have a good weekend.
Scott Duncan
I may be there that week but not likely make it there on the 12th @Craig Smith
@Cameron Rentch Can, I’ll find a time that works for all of us, even if it’s not that week… I believe they are very close on funding for Bard, keep u posted!
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, as we wrap up the PFAS campaign for Bay Point, they are asking for the following for their campaign assessment
- Confirmation that all cases (to date) have been delivered to Torticity.
- Status of any replacements (number requested by ELG, number pending, number replaced to date)
- Supplementary files for each potential claimant (retainer, questionnaire, etc.)
- Comments for any improvements in a future campaign (either on PFAS or other)
@Craig Smith I am working with ELG to review the replacements
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam - Levinson has the signed agreements from both Bailey Glasser and Adair/AFG for the NJ Juv Hall Campaign. Adair has signed our Invoice and will send $100,000 check today. He will invest more on this one as well!
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam - I have a call with Bay Point on Friday. Have all cases been delivered to Torticity? I know that Andy is working on a couple of the other items for me. Thanks!
@Craig Smith
- Confirmation that all cases (to date) have been delivered to Torticity. = The integration is being worked on. We have been sending all files to ELG but nobody from Torticity has provided any email addresses for us to send signed retainer packets.
- Status of any replacements (number requested by ELG, number pending, number replaced to date) - We spoke with ELG and cleared up replacement requests. There are 8 dual reps all of which have been approved for replacement. Aside from that all other claimants were accepted.
- Supplementary files for each potential claimant (retainer, questionnaire, etc.) Elaborate please.
- Comments for any improvements in a future campaign (either on PFAS or other) No comments at the moment.
@Cameron Rentch Cam, thank you. On #1 above, I am confused, my lack of understanding. How have the cases been delivered to Torticity?
@Craig Smith I do not think a ny have been delivered to Torticity becuase the API integration is not done yet. They have not provided any guidance or input for us to "manually send" any to them as of yet
@Cameron Rentch Understood. So I can share, do you have a date when you believe the integration will be complete? Who is our main contact at Torticity?
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Hey Cam, checking in on these two:
- Nursing Home campaign for Mendes. Are we close to launch? I'd like to share an ad with Blair Mendes before we go live. Let me know if you need anything else from me on this one.
- AFG/Bailey Glasser NJ Juv Hall. The first $100,000 payment is in. When you you anticipate this one going live?
@Craig Smith
- I will have websites ready for review next Monday/Tuesday. Intake being worked on.
- AFG/Bailey Glasser NJ Juv Hall - can you please send retainer docs I dont recall seeing those. Also please advise if they want us to do long form interviews
@Cameron Rentch
- Cam, attached is the retainer agreement
- YES on the long form interviews
@Andy Rogers@Cameron Rentch Cam, I have another firm who wants to run a niche test campaign. This one would be around railroad workers and their exposure to toxins. Injuries are Cancer, Parkinsons, Pulmonary Diseases, etc. The firm (Gianaris Trial Lawyers) currently gets all most of their cases via referrals, they would like to market nationwide and get cases directly.
Below is an example. This is not the firm, but ideas on the type of language to use for our campaign: https://www.dieselinjurylaw.com/
@Cameron Rentch Cam, for the above can I ask for a test budget of $50k?
@Craig Smith would be better with 75-100k.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, any update on the integration with Torticity for BP? I spoke with them on Friday and would like to give them an update by tomorrow. Looks like we have 2 signed retainers left to deliver them (after replacing the 10 or so dual reps)... Things look good for further investment from them in August - Bard PP, Sex Abuse and hopefully another round of PFAS.
@Cameron Rentch Cam, I have a couple more emails today from Scott and Evan at BP regarding their Torticity integration. I'll forward to you now. If you could reply to them and Cc me that would be helpful. Thanks!
@Craig Smith @Andy Rogers we are working on the nursing home campaign and will have sites for the firm to review within the next day or so...I would like to schedule a deep dive into intake with the firm where we can take time to carefully discuss the campaign criteria by state, including state by state SOL's. In advance of this, I need a detailed very specific intake criteria by state where they accept cases. If you did send this already, please resend it.
@Craig Smith please let us know when they are available^
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, below is the SOL info for the 10 states to target. I'll reach out to see when they are available for a call to discuss... I'll also resend via email now the retainer and HIPAA agreements.
NC: 3 yrs for PI/ med mal and 2 yrs WD. MS: 2 yrs / same w/ WD (assuming not sovereign immune then 1 yr) GA: 2 yrs for WD (tolling for estate claims, not to exceed 5 yrs) FL: 2 yrs / same w/ WD WV: 1 yr / same w/ WD PA: 2 yrs / same w/ WD SC: 3 yrs / same w/ WD KY: 1 yr / same w/ WD TN: 1 yr / same w/ WD NM: 3 yrs / same w/ WD (govt or public entity, then 2 yrs)
@Craig Smith I have the retainer docs already and hippa just needed the above. Assuming "WD" means "with death"?
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, could I sell a new firm for IL Juv Hall?
@Craig Smith let me connect with Andy and look at existing orders
@Craig Smith FYI update on Baypoint
Torticity's tech person (Matthew) just replied on the issue. An outage on his end due to inclement weather that was the cause in lack of response. Ahsan is working on the next test send that should go out in 1-2hrs. I requested a call and additional contact info from their team to try and get the existing lead/docs over to them today. I'll keep everyone posted. ---- Also, a response came in this morning (7 day lag) to help us move forward with PFAS and get data/docs to their CRM, allowing Bridge Legal to see it directly. I'll continue to try and get a conversation going with them to see this through.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, are you free Friday @ 11am pacific to talk to Blair Mendes about his Nursing Home campaign?
@Craig Smith I have a flight back from vegas and land around 1100am PST. If we could do closer to 12/1230 that would be best.
@Craig Smith I want to have the Tony and the intake team on the call to review and discuss Intake. Please make sure I can add folks to the invite.
I will do my best to be on as well…great job Craig
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch BP replies in Italics
Confirmation that all cases (to date) have been delivered to Torticity. As of Friday, I was informed that we were finalizing this. I’m awaiting an update today from our team and will confirm. Please let us know once the connection is established –
We saw the note that their contact was out due to weather. Toritcity will take some time to review and work up the cases.
Supplementary files for each potential claimant (retainer, questionnaire, etc.) Do you need copies of everything we’ve provided to ELG? Or could you explain exactly what you need here?
Yes. We just like to have the backup files (questionnaire, intake docs, etc.) to supplement the data that was sent over API. Feel free to share a data room or similar.
Comments for any improvements in a future campaign (either on PFAS or other) We still have a very strong flow coming in on PFAS and AFFF. As discussed with Evan, and per recent ELG updates, a next round could include tighter criteria. Focus on Category A injuries but keep B and C categories open for any military.
Sounds great. Once we assess the quality of the first cases, we will revert on a future campaign.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, is there an update today from Torticity?
@Craig Smith not yet. Can u oh ask them to create. Share file folder and send us access so we can upload to their folder?
@Craig Smith in advance of the call tomorrow, please send over this sample landing page for review:
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, the BP guys sent the shared folder link via email. Can you upload the files for them?
@Craig Smith yes they are in process of getting this handled.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Good news here from BP, just sharing:
Craig,
An update here. For Bard PowerPort, we are finalizing our co-counsel with SHC and expect to be finished next week.
Can you put together an invoice for $150,000? We have $1,000,000 approved but want to start with a smaller allocation. I will send an addendum to our MSA once we get the invoice. Let me know if we need to sign new TCPA Indemnifications. FYI - These will not be going through Torticity.
Appreciate your help. Have a great weekend!
Scott Duncan
@Craig Smith @Andy Rogers guys there has been a miscommunication on New Jersey - not sure where these numbers came from? The rates are much higher and will be even higher as we get into political season
I have not signed Larry's invoice - so we need to get this cleared up
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch pretty sure Larry he won’t move forward with this news
Understood @Craig Smith again I’m not sure where these numbers came from?
@Craig Smith @Andy Rogers
As of now...
Torticity • test lead was sent 8/12 ◦ lead was received successfully ▪︎ feedback and additional requests include: label change for the retainer; change of 'externalLeadSourceId' to 'externalId'; request for 2 more test leads once adjustments are made ▪︎ Torticity acknowledges that there will be a lag between the lead creation and the docs being sent; this is a know lag on their end • happening 8/15 ◦ adjustments are being made to MPA flow following their feedback ◦ 2 test leads will be sent ◦ assuming that there will not be more feedback or requests, the client can approve this to go into production (we can move this to production in a matter of minutes for Torticity) Bay Point • test leads can be sent as soon as the Torticity tests are successful and we are approved to go into production ◦ that pre-requisite is there because the entire MPA flow has to be cloned and altered to fit Bay Point ▪︎ this can also be done today, assuming the Torticity test is successful • there is a chance of feedback and/or additional requests, but we won't know until the Torticity baseline is complete and the Bay Point test is sent
@Cameron Rentch Hey Cam, is the Torticity/Bay Point integration complete? BP will be making a decision VERY SOON on another round of PFAS. I'm afraid if there is still a holdup on this that it could affect their decision.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, is the Torticity/Bay Point integration complete? BP will be making a decision VERY SOON on another round of PFAS. I'm afraid if there is still a holdup on this that it could affect their decision... If it is not complete, could you/Nick email me an update that I could share with them?
@Craig Smith I will get you anpther update today
@Andy Rogers@Cameron Rentch Cam - Lakin will be launching a New PA Juv Hall campaign with his own funds. He will be sending $150k this week, attached please see his Retainer and HIPAA
@Craig Smith good. I see he requested a MSA signed. Is this one we have previously signed? If so, please confirm 1000% language is exactly the same. If new it needs to go to legal
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, this would be the first one from Lakin because Adair funded his other campaigns.
ok I will send to legal will be a couple of days FYI
I need a document please download in word and post hre
@Craig Smith
Torticity: • Matt Parker called in William Seward to help support the tech-side for the client to help resolve the error we received during payload send/test after following instructions (8/16) • William and Ahsan are in comms about Authorization heading and based64 encoding to troubleshoot • fail error is likely due to date/time config Bay Point/Bridge Legal: • met with Meghan Malone and Yuchen (Cindy) Zhao today; they are going to provide useful contact info for use going forward • they have a new intake form (8/19) that they want us to configure; based on our call API update call today, we are using our intake which was approved by Baypoint I've asked Ahsan to try and retest with different date formats to see what happens. Might save us some time and they won't see the tests IF there is still an error
@Cameron Rentch Thanks for sharing. Is Bay Point aware of what’s going on? Are the issues on us, or Torticity and Bridge?
@Craig Smith I am not communicating with Baypoint.
Torticity delays initially were on them, their staff was out of office and then were affected by storms in houston. We have been in back forth. The errors showing erqure feedback from them. We have gone as far as we can and are waiting for results of errors, once we get this resolved and approved it is ready to be live.
Bridge - they admitted it is on them, not us. They actually sent a message apologizing for delays. They sent us an intake form that we arent even using and the campaign is already done, so we are replying to them to make sure they are aware A) campaign is done B)we are using our intake that Baypoint already approved.
@Cameron Rentch Thanks Cam, really appreciate the updates and additional info
@Cameron Rentch @Craig Smith good morning Cam, what is current pricing on Michigan Sex Abuse
@Andy Rogers we are not active, all campaigns have been off for over 60 days. Waiting for more clear information on SOL issues in the state. Current SOL you must be 28 or under currently.
Take all ages = ranges are 4200-4750 SOL only = 8200-8500
@Craig Smith are we able to start Bard Powerport and back fill API? Please confirm asap - hoping yes so we can get this live next week
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam - We can get started on Bard and backfill. Looks like our integration team and SHC have a call later today… Request from SHC, can you send me a word doc or pdf with our screening questions for Bard?
@Andy Rogers Andy, I’m unable to open that file. Can you email it to me?
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Cam - Are we currently running Ozempic and/or Wegovy? Are we currently running Mounjaro or Zepbound?
@Craig Smith yes we are running Ozempic
@Andy Rogers can work with you on criteria. He has , I believe, criteria from leadership in MDL
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Cam, couple of questions:
- Can we run IL for Chicago and Central IL (no Southern IL) with following criteria: • Abused occurred in Chicago area or Central IL juvenile detention center; • Abuse occurred after 2014; • Penetration, oral copulation, touching of genitals under clothing; • Minor at time of abuse; and • Perpetrator is identified as a guard or employee of detention center. 2) Is NJ still open?
@Craig Smith no on IL, we have one campaign we run, same criteria for all. NJ is still open
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, please see below from Kevin at Simmons on Bard:
Please see below from our team. It seams that the majority of cases coming over are Unsure whether they have the bard or angio. In our experience, it is usually a small percentage of people who are unsure. Could you please look into this along with the other things listed below? Thanks!
We’re having issues with identifying the brand. They have two questions they are using for this: “Did the PNC have a Bard PowerPort or AngioDynamics implanted?” - They are answering this question as a Y/N question (not specifying which brand), or most they are answering as “Unsure between Bard PowerPort and Angio Dynamics” as if the person knows they have one of these two brands but not sure which one, which seems odd that so many people would answer that way. They have a follow-up question “Which model of catheter was used on the injured party?” this sometimes will include the brand, but again there are times they say Y to the first question “Did the PNC have a Bard PowerPort or AngioDynamics implanted?” and then Unsure to the next question “Which model of catheter was used on the injured party?” Our plan is to mark as unsure unless they list the brand in one of these questions, but it seems odd so many people would say “I don’t know what I have but I know it’s one of those two brands.” It would be preferred if they would answer the question as Bard PowerPort, AngioDynamics, Unsure, or None of these We’re having issues with some of the diagnosis questions: One of their questions is, “Did the implant port system…:” and answers are: i. “Leak” ii. “Cause blood clots, infection, or a pulmonary embolism” – it’s not clear which of these things happened since all 3 are included in the answer There is another question, “Was the injured party diagnosed with…” it seems like there is a list to pick from, but when there is more than one on the list, the answer that comes through is, “2 or more of the diagnoses” not saying what any of the diagnoses are. We are having issues knowing the dates. There are three questions for the diagnosis dates, but it’s not clear which complication any of the dates correspond to: i. “On what date did the complication(s) occur?” ii. “Additional complication date:” iii. “Additional complication date:”
@Craig Smith I will look into this. Please stay tuned.
@Craig Smith testing today and tmrw. Provided they approve we will go live by 9/11
@Craig Smith
Bard Powerport - Bay Point - Simmons - Shield Legal Assigned to: Ahsan Tebha Start Date: 9/6/24 Original Estimated Completion Date: 9/20/24 Revised Estimated Completion Date: N/A Days Behind Original Estimated Completion Date: N/A Update: MPA field mapping completed 9/9; test lead scheduled 9/10; assumed successful client receipt means go live 9/11
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Cam, Bay Point is going to invest in IL Juv Hall (send to Bailey Glasser). They are asking me current estimated monthly volume? And what amount we will need to start?
@Cameron Rentch Cam, bumping this:
Bay Point is going to invest in IL Juv Hall (send to Bailey Glasser). They are asking me current estimated monthly volume? And what amount we will need to start?
@Craig Smith 250K to start, 35-50 signed per month
copy that! @Craig Smith are we approved in all states or everything except FL, KY and TN?
@Cameron Rentch Cam that’s correct. He will submit to all so we can start Kentucky next week
@Craig Smith give a once over but these should be ready:
usanursinghomeclaims.com mynursinghomeclaim.com nursinghomelawusa.com nursinghomelitigationgroup.com
@Craig Smith we will likely start testing tmrw. Worst case Monday. Stay tuned!
@Cameron Rentch Cam, can you please share the IL criteria, it’s a request from BP. They are cool with starting at $250k, I’ll have team send them an invoice
@Craig Smith talked with Becker - he said that his discussion they want in statue cases only, so here is criteria.
Sexually abused by prison guard, corrections officer, counselor or prison staff Skin to skin sexual abuse Current age must be 40 years or younger No lawyer Abuse occurred while 17 or under Abuse occurred at Illinois Juvenile Detention Facilities Rate 7200-7400/per Disclaimer: Between Oct 1-Nov 8 2024, there may be temporary price increases due to US Elections. Firm can elect to pause temporarily with a 48 hour notice (needs to be on invoices moving forward)
@Andy Rogers ^ make sure the above bolded text gets put on new invoices and that you guys discuss with firms so they are aware. Hopefully we dont see increases but lets be safe
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Cam and Andy - Please see below from Brad Lakin’s paralegal. Who can help with that call? And does that time work?
—— Craig,
We are still having some issues with secondary interviews and continued outreach from Shield in open cases.
I’d like to set up a call with you, me, Brad, and anyone else necessary from your team sometime this Friday to discuss. Do you have any availability around 8am PST?
@Craig Smith this would be Tony and Alan. @Andy Rogers please arrange the call. Craig - make sure you do not talk about anything related to pricing or costs on the call.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, thanks and understood
@Cameron Rentch From Sean at BP:
Craig -
I am going to create our API documentation for this Claim with the required fields for the Bridgify integration.
Can you send over a sample Intake or Survey for this Claim so we can prepare on our side. I assume given you have been active and working with BG here the fields and intake has been approved already so should be pretty seamless here.
@Cameron Rentch Cam, just a reminder on above regarding sample intake for BP. Thanks!
@Cameron Rentch Cam, I see volume has picked up on Bard PowerPort. Should I ask BP for $250k on their next round? That would be 100 more signed retainers. Do you think we could deliver that many over the next month or so?
yes @Craig Smith we are looking good to scale and should be upwards of 12-15 contracts per day very soon
ha yes. just want to give them proper expectations
So we are clear my answer was very well thought out
hell yes! How many firms are in Bard currently? Maybe I should get $500k
@Craig Smith If you can that is not a bad idea. Also let know about MTMP dinner with them once you know.
@Craig Smith Intake and secondary interview tab
@Craig Smith note we already have sent 2 cases to MRW for nursing home...
@Cameron Rentch Excellent! I'll make sure Blair is aware and get his feedback
@Craig Smith signed 4 contracts today for nursing home abuse.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, below from BP after I asked for next round $500k: —- Craig - quick update. We don’t have any of the cases in our CMS. We need to review before signing off on another tranche.
Can you ping the integration team?
Scott Duncan
@Craig Smith to clarify, you are talking about the cases getting into their Bridge Legal system, right?
or are you spekaing of the cases getting into Simmons Cooper system?
@Cameron Rentch I assume they were referring to their Bridge legal system. I think they will go with $500k once we get this done for them
ok @Craig Smith I may need you to get them to assist with pushing Bridge.
@Craig Smith nobody has been communicating to me on the pacing and budget on bard. We have a great consistent campaign. I will ensure integration is done by end of week(provided that it isn’t a hold up on bridge legal side). However I need approval to continue campaign. Otherwise we are going to have to completely pause traffic and it will greatly impact all of the progress in scale we have made. Please contact them asap and let me know
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Cam, I'll call Scott at BP and get back as soon as I hear
Note @Craig Smith
we had sent a previous test but there were questions that didn't have a 1 to 1 mapping so they requested that we consolidate the remainders in their comment box. We are working on making this change and should have a test out to them today to review. If successful, we should be able to go live and begin sending leads.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch BP will send $200k now for Bard. Once integration done they will send $300k more. They really hope it’s done this week
@Cameron Rentch Cam, can you give me time(s) that work for you to meet with Simmons and Tirzah Cook, you emailed me Friday about this. Info here:
—- Here’s a few more we wanted to bring to your attention for the signed cases coming in from Shield that we are having issues qualifying:
04489575/ 31167 – This one came in saying Yes to “Has the injured party signed any documents with another law firm about this matter.” It also said No to “Is the injured party currently represented by an attorney for this matter.” So not sure if one is incorrect or if the person had an attorney and dismissed them. We are seeing a number of ones come through where the person has a qualifying issue (in this example “leak”) but the surgery questions are left blank. We don’t know if the questions aren’t being asked or if the answer is NO to surgery. If the person did not have a surgery and the claim will not qualify if “Fracture”, “Leak”, “Migrate” was the only injury. Here is an example: <image002.png>
There is another treatment question further down which is sometimes mentions surgery but sometimes not: <image003.png> 04492969 / 31217 – This is the intake from above, it says the device leaked but no indication of a surgery and they didn’t have any of the other qualifying injuries (blood clots, infection, or pulmonary embolism), so seems like it would not qualify. 04491087 / 31187 – This is another example; it says the device leaked but no indication of a surgery. They also had infection & blood clots, but with no indication of a surgery or other issues this would not qualify. We have other examples where the surgery questions are blank but we were able to qualify off of another field or injury, but it still would be helpful to know how these questions are being answered.
@Craig Smith tomorrow how is 11am PST tomorrow?
@Cameron Rentch Cam, for Bay Point/Simmons:
- We have the call today with Simmons t 11am PST, must making sure you saw the Zoom invite.
- Getting on a call with them will be best. Can you and Dustin to jump on a call today with BP. I received this early this morning from them: Craig - Checking-in on the integration, I also am working with Evan to put together the fields for our API to receive in for all your survey/questionnaire responses. Can you send what you are capturing, I can send you then what we have for fields so you can map accordingly.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, I had a new client ask me about the one-to-one rule this yesterday (below). Will we need to make changes when this goes into effect?
What is the TCPA one-to-one consent rule effective January 2025? Starting in 2025, the FCC's new rule under the TCPA will require explicit, one-to-one consent for any form of communication that involves direct messaging or calling between a business and a consumer
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch after reading more on this I see that it’s all related to spam and robo dials. Assume it does not apply to anything we do?
@Craig Smith the one to one consent only applies if you are using auto dialers and robot calls. Note, we still are implementing a verbal consent with the claimant and will be having each claimant sign a separate consent form for each law firm that will be provided within the retainer packet. We have done a very deep dive with our compliance counsel and are very ahead of all regulations that impact our business
@Craig Smith good morning. I have reviewed Bard and we need to raise our costs for Baypoint from 2400 to 2700 per. Reduced available cases, more competition in the market, and the ongoing criteria adjustments that resulted in returns/credits are the reasons. @Andy Rogers FYI
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Replu below from Scott at Bay Point regarding price increase on Bard:
“Thank you for the update, Craig. Let us review how the change in pricing affects our model and review the case quality. We will get back to you by Monday.”
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam and Andy - I received a text from Scott Duncan at Bay Point. He received your Christmas gift. He assumed we also sent a gift to Sean Coleman but Sean did not receive it. Could you let me know the address it was sent to for Sean and then I'll check to make sure that was correct. Thanks!
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Hey Cam - We just had a call with Bay Point. They are ready to send another $250k for IL Juv Hall when we get closer to going through their current spend. They have about $100k left so about 12 more signed retainers. Do you anticipate getting through that in the next couple of weeks?
I understand you are under the weather, hope it's a short one and you feel better soon.
Yes @Craig Smith should be on track here
@Cameron Rentch do we have opening for LA fires?
@Craig Smith only for funding into existing litigating firm
@Cameron Rentch what is the firm assuming I can share?
ACTS Wildfire Group(they have a number of firms involved) or DiCello Levitt for the time being
@Cameron Rentch please share wildfire pricing and criteria, I have a call later today
@Craig Smith it is fluid there is no set pricing as they are still changing criteria as details develop.
Targeting focus is Eaton fire, but all other fires are accepted with residential property or commercial property damage,
For Eaton, no insurance is required. Other fires required Insurance.
For Eaton, personal property loss of any type (ie renters, vehicles, personal property minimum of 25k loss).
For Eaton, any injury accepted with hospital visit and treatment.
For Eaton, running from fire fearing for life accepted.
Currently 3-4k avg cost per. No guarantees on rates and market price based on fluid situation and evolving criteria.
@Andy Rogers note. We will only accept funding to existing litigating firms: ACTS group DiCello
@Cameron Rentch Thank you. If client has any other questions I'll Slack you later
@Cameron Rentch just sent you a text on this. Saddle Rock is good with the price point and has strong interest.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam and Andy, I’m sending you both an email from Keith Jackson. He’s working with AWKO on a new Crypto fraud litigation. We talked at NTL but they need an NDA for us to discuss further. I have a meeting with him this Tues. afternoon. Would love for you guys to join. Can we have the signed NDA back to him by EOD Monday?
Call or text me today with any questions. Thanks!
@Craig Smith I read the email. TBH if he is working with all of these other companies, then I dont think we will engage. Only way we would do so is if he agrees to only work with us.
I will think about it a bit more and reply later.
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch Cam, is your answer still no on Crypto unless they use us exclusively? I don’t think they would but I’ll ask Keith to see what he says.
@Craig Smith I’ll reply all to Keith’s email. Then we will see how he responds
@Cameron Rentch Cam, will you be able to email Keith today? My call with him is set for tomorrow.
@Craig Smith @Andy Rogers emailed Keith
@Cameron Rentch can’t argue with that. Thanks for sending
you bet @Craig Smith! happy to have a convo to better understand his position
@Cameron Rentch I’ll call him tomorrow and keep you posted
hey @Craig Smith any updates on Nursing home?
@Cameron Rentch actually talking to Mendes again tomorrow. He wanted to continue but his partners did not want to go in on another $100k. They asked for $50k and I politely said no. Hoping to turn them back on, keep u posted
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch from Sean Coleman at Bay Point: Just checking in on the very nice French bottle of wine you sent that I never received. Not at all looking for it- just want to make sure you found it as I know it was a very nice bottle and want to make sure you were able to track it down and it did not go to someone else!!!