@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers I am officially in Slack
@Patsy Miller great! easiest way to communicate with me. make sure you "tag" me otherwise I wont see messages 😉
@Cameron Rentch I received the BWM hair relaxer criteria today from Danielle. Would you mind reviewing it and giving me an idea of expected acquisition cost?
BULLOCK WARD MASON HAIR RELAXER CRITERIA
General criteria: Must be able to identify products used (hair relaxers only) Must be able to recall start and stop date (if they have stopped) Must have used relaxers consistently (6-8 weeks on average) for a minimum of five years (greater than 4 applications per year) If a death case – must have a strong corroborating witness regarding product usage
Injuries/Diagnosis: (Diagnosis dates in 2010 or later, before age 45) • Uterine/Endometrial/Ovarian Cancer o If Ovarian Cancer – screen for talc usage • Fibroids o Must have had surgical intervention (myomectomy/hysterectomy/uterine fibroid embolization) o Ablation only does not qualify • Endometriosis o Must have had a hysterectomy
Ideal plaintiff: • Diagnosed with any of the above conditions b/w ages 20-45 • First introduced to Hair Relaxers prior to age 12 • Experienced menarche prior to age 12 Additional Damages – Must meet all the requirements above • Infertility as a result of any of the above pelvic conditions • Miscarriages as a result of any of the above pelvic conditions • Blood transfusions due to anemia caused by excessive bleeding (fibroids/endometriosis) • Preterm labor/delivery (w/underlying fibroids or endometriosis) • Early menarche/puberty • PCOS • Chronic thyroid or hormonal imbalances
@Patsy Miller @Andy Rogers we can crush this. I’d love to run it. Suggest 600/per but we can probably go as low as 525/550 per. Honestly we can do hundreds of these daily
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers thanks so much. Let me see what I can do. If she wants to somehow limit the percentage on non-cancer, is that something we can do, or should I avoid that?
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Hey Cameron! Andy is on a plane with poor wifi so he has asked me to jump on here and ask for your help.
I'm sure he has told you about Susan Barfield at Case Works and how we are under an NDA with her. She is asking for pricing on several torts so she can bundle packages to include the case work up process her company provides. She is very new to the acquisition part of the business, so she's asking a lot of questions and Andy and I are slowly trying to educate her.
Her goal is to get pricing for the following: RoundUp, AFFF, Hair Relaxer, NEC, Sex Abuse, Suboxone and Bard PowerPort.
Can you please provide me with price ranges for each so I can work with her to put together a bundled package to present to the funder? Once she gets this approved with one law firm, she plans to duplicate it with others.
She may even need our help with co-counsel as a lot of the firms that will participate in this program will be passive investors looking for a diverse tort mix.
@Patsy Miller
- have her send her law firm's exact criteria for each campaign
- explain what you mean by "bundle"
- Lets talk when Andy lands we have a few things to "unpack" before we send email, even with an NDA
The AFFF criteria she is using is ELG's. She even sent me the same spreadsheet they gave me.
The RoundUp criteria is simply a list of all the NHL Sub-Types. Again, she is new to this so we can certainly guide/advise her on what we are using/seeing.
Powerport: • fracture • breaks • migration • perforation • dislodgement • infections • blood clots
• Have been prescribed Suboxone (dissolvable film) for opioid addiction or pain management • Used prescription Suboxone for at least six months before suffering injuries • Have one of more of the following injuries: Tooth loss, tooth fractures, tooth decay, oral surgeries, tongue injuries, gum injuries within the last 10 years
@Patsy Miller understanding she is new to this, it is very important that there is no "ambiguity" here. She needs to be able to clearly articulate what her clients/firms want exactly. Otherwise costs we provide will not be accurate.
- Have her email each exact criteria, including year of diagnosis, latency, what disqualifies (example Suboxone will you accept if claimant has ever been convited of a crime, what crimes, how long ago)
- age requirements
- device types, years of original implant, year of diagnosis
- states accepted or not It is very important we do not do things "willy nilly" and gives ranges that are "generic"
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers I totally understand. I will work with her to get all the details we need. Appreciate your help.
@Cameron Rentch On another note, is there a resource somewhere for me to find what criteria we are currently using for each tort? I'm not sure I have access to much on this platform...or at least I'm not sure where to go to see things like that. Any suggestions?
hey @Patsy Miller well...typically we do not keep this "handy" per se to limit people circulating our information without the proper context around it. Andy should have all of this information accessible. In any event if he can not locate I am happy to find a solution for this.
@here not sure if any of messages are coming through. I will go over this with Patsy when I land. I’ll just use the same solution that you and I have used since day one
@Cameron Rentch @Patsy Miller Hi Cam, Patsy got the criteria for the campaigns that Susan is looking to get pricing on. The only one we didnt get was for Sexual Abuse because I want to chat with Susan about that and the way that we would look to do that with them. I am attaching the criteria docs here. They are trying to move fast so let us know your next thoughts. Thank you!
@Patsy Miller THank you for getting these. I know that “our style” is different from the old school of having price sheets but trust me, I trusted Cam and it works! You and I will own this 🙂
@Andy Rogers Roundup - no year of diagnpsis , get clarification to living and death, need state restrcitions (ie no 1 year states etc) Hair Relaxer - no year of diagnosis, gt clarification on living and death, also ask about revlon usage only, need state restrcitions AFFF = clear NEC = no age requirements (current age of claimant or year of birth, no year of diagnosis Suboxone = no year of diagnosis, need state restrictions (alot of SOL issues in this, need to know if they will accept claimaints that have criminal history and clarify) Bard = clear, need state restrcitions
We need to be thorough, if not things get messy.
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers We talked about SOL by state on all torts, for death cases. I will get with her to iron out the other details. Thanks!
@Cameron Rentch @Patsy Miller Cameron, can we please schedule a 30 minute call tomorrow with Patsy and me?
She has some questions that I think are best covered together. Thank you.
Yes absolutely @Andy Rogers and @Patsy Miller
@Cameron Rentch @Patsy Miller that’s perfect. I am off for the night so I’ll send an invite in the morning
@Andy Rogers ok send invite. Also check email asap important
@Andy Rogers reminder send invite for above ASAP^
Well I set it on my end but forgot to send it
@Cameron Rentch In your experience, are you seeing Suboxone criteria with diagnosis going back ten years? What seems to be standard? I’m speaking with Erin Copeland (trying to get a lead role in the MDL) she accepts as far back as 2008, since the drug was released in 2007. @Andy Rogers
@Patsy Miller here is the prior criteria provided to us, this is Levin Pap's criteria
Suboxone Criteria Have been prescribed Suboxone (dissolvable film) for opioid addiction or pain management · Used prescription Suboxone for at least six months before suffering injuries · Have one of more of the following injuries: ~Cavities~, tooth loss, tooth fractures, tooth decay, oral surgeries, tongue injuries, gum injuries (NOTE cavities alone will not be accepted) · Have had routine dental care prior to Suboxone usage · Dx within past 10 years ago DISQUALIFIED IF: · claim is on behalf of a deceased claimant · if they are a resident of Tennessee, Michigan, Kentucky, Louisiana, Texas or Puerto Rico. · if they are a resident of Maine and the DX is more than 6 years ago; · if they are a resident of Missouri and the DX is more than 5 years ago; · if they are a resident of Nebraska and the DX is more than 4 years ago; · if they are a resident of Massachusetts, Mississippi, New York, North Carolina, or South Dakota and the DX is more than 3 years ago; · if they are a resident of Florida Alabama, Delaware, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Oklahoma, or Virginia and the DX is more than 2 years ago. · If claimant has felony drug conviction or convicted of meth related crime
@Cameron Rentch Thanks so much. That is very similar to what I got from Erin:
• Must have been prescribed Suboxone dissolvable film (or Indivior brand, which is a subsidiary) for opioid addiction or pain management • Must have been prescribed Suboxone in 2007 or later • Must have used Suboxone for at least 6 months before suffering injuries • Must have one or more of the following: ◦ Tooth loss ◦ Tooth fractures ◦ Tooth decay ◦ Oral surgeries ◦ Tongue injuries ◦ Gum injuries • Injuries/Diagnosis must have occurred within the last 15 years • Must not be represented by an attorney for this matter • Automatic DISQUALIFICATION: ◦ No dental cleaning and/or routine dental care prior to Suboxone usage ◦ Not dental care for claimed injuries ◦ Use of Suboxone in PILL form only (dissolvable film is the problem) ◦ Meth usage ◦ Generic usage ONLY – other than subsidiary of Suboxone: Indivior ◦ Texas residents – no good law to support claims ◦ TN, KY, LA residents – 1 year SOL states ◦ First use of Suboxone is after June 2022
got it thanks @Patsy Miller we have everything on our end 100% ready to go, have not tested this yet though.
@Cameron Rentch Just so I'm clear, are you saying we do not have an active Suboxone campaign or results to share...or expectations to set?
Correct, we do not have any result to share. Suggest testing 50K should be adequate. I would think they would be between 800-1200/per but that is really just a guess
@Patsy Miller CPAP • First use MUST BE prior to 4/25/2021 • 12 FULL MONTHS OF USE OF A RECALLED DEVICE PRIOR TO DIAGNOSIS DATE - • Age 74 or under at the time of Diagnosis • Nonsmoker during time of use • Must have diagnosis date for each alleged related injury • Diagnosis date must be 12 MONTHS AFTER starting use of CPAP machine, not before. • *Named Diagnosis must be within last 9 months if LA, KY, TN or PR • Named diagnosis must be within the last 20 months in AL, TX, ID, MI, VA or ME. • SOL IS BASED OFF OF THE STATE OF DIAGNOSIS (see state guideline sheet)* • Death cases must be contracted as “Representative on behalf of Decedent” Both names must be listed on the contract, include copy of Death Certificate and Probate/Estate Documents) • No Wrongful Death for LA, KY, TN, PR • Death must be within 20 months FROM THE TIME OF THE INTAKE • Use of recalled Phillips Cpap (see below - must identify one of the 14 phillips machines listed - if not, decline) (Note: 2nd Generation DreamStation is not affected by recall & DOES NOT QUALIFY)If none of the below devices, or is a different brand different from Philips, DECLINE. • DreamStation ASV • DreamStation ST, AVAPS • SystemOne ASV4 • C Series ASV, S/T, AVAPS • OmniLab Advanced Plus In-Lab Titration Device • SystemOne (Q series) • DreamStation CPAP, Auto CPAP, BiPAP • DreamStation GO CPAP, APAP • Dorma 400, 500 CPAP • REMStar SE Auto CPAP • Trilogy 100 Ventilator • Trilogy 200 Ventilator • Garbin Plus, Aeris, LifeVent Ventilator • A-Series BiPAP V30 Auto Ventilator Diagnosis of one of the following: • Chronic Asthma • Pneumonitis • COPD • Chronic Bronchitis (must recur more than once) • Recurring Pneumonia (3+ times in 18 months) • Pulmonary Fibrosis • Scarring of the lungs • Interstitial Lung Disease • Salivary, Tongue, Lip Cancer • Sarcoidosis • Nasal Cancer • Sinus Cancer • Nasopharynx cancer • Throat cancer • Thyroid cancer – (Death Cases Only) • Lung Cancer • Kidney Cancer • Bladder Cancer • Liver Cancer • Lymphoma • Multiple Myeloma • Malignant Tumors • Leukemia State guide. Ranges 2700-3000
@Cameron Rentch this is great. How should I set his expectations for acquisition cost, based on this criteria?
Current range is Range is 2700-3000 based on criteria
@Cameron Rentch When you have time to review this, please send me a price range for their criteria, so I can set his expectations! I’m expecting this to be my first sale!
AWKO Criteria: ACCEPT: Used a recalled Philips/Respironics CPAP or BiPAP machine AND Suffered one or more of the following ailments, AND • Qualifying Respiratory Issues, OR • Qualifying Cancers Is not a current smoker and must not have more than a 15 pk/year smoking history
DECLINE: Did not use a recalled Philips/Respironics CPAP or BiPAP machine OR Did not suffer one or more of the qualifying ailments OR Is a current smoker or has more than a 15 pk/year smoking history
ATTORNEY REVIEW: Anything that does not meet above criteria
Qualifying Respiratory Issues: • New diagnosis of asthma • Pneumonia/Pneumonitis • Pulmonary Fibrosis • New diagnosis of Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease (COPD) • Sarcoidosis (particularly of the lungs and/or lymph nodes) that required treatment
Qualifying Cancers • Lung Cancer • Head and neck cancers o Oral cavity cancer o Oropharynx cancer o Nasal cavity/sinus cancer o Nasopharynx cancer o Larynx cancer o Hypopharynx cancer o Salivary cancer o Soft palate o Tonsil Recalled Phillips CPAP, BiPAP & Ventilators • Aeris • A-Series BiPAP A30 • A-Series BiPAP A40 (ventilator) • A-Series BiPAP Hybrid A30 • A-Series BiPAP V30 Auto (ventilator) • C-Series ASV • C-Series S/T and AVAPS • Dorma 400, 500, Auto • DreamStation ASV, Go, ST, Auto and AVAPS • E30 • Garbin Plus • LifeVent • OmniLab Advanced Plus • REMstar SE Auto • SystemOne ASV4, Q-Series, 50 series and 60 series • Trilogy 100 • Trilogy 200 • Trilogy Evo ventilators
@Andy Rogers
@Patsy Miller I will review and let you know later by tmrw latest. Need to analyze
@Patsy Miller need to clarify a few items with them:
- Year of use? What are their requirements - do they require first use BEFORE February 25, 2021
- do they accept ALL states, as most firms are using a specific state by state SOL guide and not taking any 1 year states
- how long do they require the device used? (6 months, 1 year, 2 years, 3 years or more?)
- will they accept Interstitial lung disease and Chronic Bronchitis Thanks
@Cameron Rentch thanks so much. I will get the answers we need.
@Patsy Miller just following up on this^
@Cameron Rentch I’m still trying to track down the answers. We saw Justin in Park City but he had not yet seen my email. I will keep trying and let you know as soon as I have answers.
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers We had a call with Ross Robin and Kieran Betts (formerly ran Parilman) yesterday, from Robin Raynish. While they typically compete with us, they also buy from marketing firms when they cannot produce the needed volume. They are interested in Camp Lejeune...either leads or signed retainers. They have hefty budgets and want to wind down their acquisitions in June. They want EO and Tier 2 only. Do we have availability? If so, how would you suggest pricing it? (lead and retainer pricing)
Hey @Patsy Miller we are completely sold out with Lejeune. Have 10mil have to spend by June.
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Do we have experience with wildfire campaigns? Specifically, do we have an active North Texas wildfire campaign? If so, do we have availability for more? Spoke with Cheney at Attorneys Online and she has a law firm client that is interested in these cases. I will have criteria shortly.
@Cameron Rentch here’s the criteria:
INTAKE CRITERIA
Was your home or property, owned or rented by you, burned (either partially or completely destroyed) by the Smokehouse Creek Fire?
Partially Destroyed _ Completely Destroyed__
If partially or completely burned, address of damaged property including city, state and zip.
Did your property sustain damage in excess of $50,000?
What is the approximate number of acres on your property that burned (either partially or completely destroyed)?
Was property fencing owned by you burned (either partially or completely destroyed) by the Smokehouse Creek Fire?
If partially or completely burned, what was the linear footage of the fencing?
Did you lose livestock (category encompasses primarily cattle, sheep, pigs, goats, horses, donkeys, and mules; other animals, such as buffalo, oxen, llamas, or camels)? If so, how many livestock animals perished in the Smokehouse Creek Fire?
Was your place of business, either owned or rented by you, or goods related to your business (including any merchantable timber, pre-merchantable timber or other forest products) or equipment, owned by you, burned (either partially or completely destroyed) by the Smokehouse Creek Fire?
(Yes or No)
If yes, address of damage property including city, state and zip.
Was your place of employment burned completely or partially by the Smokehouse Creek Fire?
(Yes or No)
** If asserting a claim for lost personal income only, was or will the lost income be over $25,000.00?
If yes, address of damaged property including city, state and zip.
Did you or anyone on your property suffer from physical injuries during the Smokehouse Creek Fire? (Yes or No)
If yes, were you hospitalized and/or treated by a physician for those injuries?
(Yes or No)
Thanks so much. They would like to go live quickly, if possible. It’s the biggest wildfire in Texas history
@Cameron Rentch I hope you had a fabulous birthday weekend in the snow! I'm circling back about this potential Texas Panhandle Fire campaign. Cheney is nagging me for pricing. Is this something we can do?
@Patsy Miller @Andy Rogers quick call easier then slack
@Cameron Rentch @Patsy Miller also sending email
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Attached is the gaming intake from Bullock Ward Mason. I will narrow it down to specific criteria and list it here...since this one is so lengthy.
@Cameron Rentch This might make it a little easier... Gaming Addiction Intake Criteria • Gamer must have experienced one or more of the following: o Diminished social interaction with family o Loss or lack of friends at school o Drop in grades o Lack of interest in other sports/hobbies o Inability to limit game playing time o Change in eating pattern due to game playing time o Gamer’s rage – losing or withdrawal of game prompts anger, throwing objects, punches walls/doors, yells, curses o Other: • Gamer must have been diagnosed or experienced one or more of the following: o Gamer’s thumb o Computer vision syndrome o Trigger finger o De Quervains’ Tenosynovitis o Changes in CT/MRI of the Brain o ADHD/ADD o Video gaming addiction o Carpal tunnel syndrome o Seizures o Tennis elbow o Neck sprain/herniation o Depression o Oppositional defiant disorder o Internet gaming disorder o Suicide attempt o High school dropout o Sleep deprivation psychosis o No diagnosed problems o College dropout • Gamer must have received one or more of the following treatments: o Individualized Educational Plan (IEP) o Out-patient counseling o Medication therapy o Inpatient treatment gaming addiction o Cognitive behavioral therapy for gaming addiction o Private tutoring o Other: o None of the above • Must not have hired an attorney for this matter • Provide Gamer’s email address • Provide Gamer’s gaming tag / Gamer’s alias • Must provide the game names, including version names (i.e.: Call of Duty Modern Warfare, not just Call of Duty) • Did Gamer sell loot (level, persona, badges, additional game content, etc.) for money on any of the following platforms: o CoinGecko o CoinCodex o Playerauctions.com o Skins Gambling o Esports Betting o Xbox Game Pass o Discord o None of the above o Other: • Must provide estimated hours spent playing each game • Must provide gaming consoles played (Xbox One, PlayStation, Apple Phone, etc.) • Must provide the gaming subscription: o Game Pass Ultimate o Game Pass Core o Xbox Live Gold o PlayStation Premium o PlayStation Extra o PlayStation Essential o EA Play o EA Play Pro o Apple Arcade o Google Play Pass o Amazon Prime Gaming o NVIDIA GeForce NOW o Amazon Luna o Roblox Premium o Ubisoft Classics o Ubisoft Premium o Fortnite Battlepass o Fortnite Crew Subscription o Other: • If gamer uses laptop, must provide manufacturer and approximate date of purchase o Did laptop come with 3 month free subscription to Xbox or EA (Electronic Arts)? • If gamer uses Virtual Reality headsets, gloves, etc., must provide name and approximate date of purchase
looks pretty straightforward @Patsy Miller @Andy Rogers likely would be pretty inexpensive.
@Cameron Rentch I exchanged emails with Will Moody today and he told me to say hello to you. He also said "He and I go way back - just ask him". Is there anything I need to know?
Ah!!! good ol Will Moody! we do go wayyyyyy wayyyy back
nah all was real good with him did a ton of work with him on alot of projects/campaigns
@Cameron Rentch any suggestions or advice on getting his business again?
Most likely getting past Courtney and some expensive bourbon lol
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Cheney at Attorneys Online would like to jump on a call late this afternoon to discuss the Texas Panhandle Fire campaign. When are you available? I will send a calendar invite.
@Patsy Miller have to be after 4PST for me
@Cameron Rentch they are on eastern time and can’t make it that late today. They are available tomorrow late morning or early afternoon. What works for you tomorrow?
@Cameron Rentch are you available for a call tomorrow? They are on eastern time and requested late morning or early afternoon.
@Patsy Miller schedule is wacky pls stay tuned
@Patsy Miller @Andy Rogers can do 1030 am-1130am pst.
@Cameron Rentch I sent a calendar invite for 10:30. Thanks for your help with this.
@Andy Rogers please work with @Patsy Miller need the following:
- Basic "Shield Legal" and "TIP" deck, who we are etc, what makes us special, what each company does
- Test Budget Strategy a. 100K b. Law firm branded landing pages, creatives/videos c. Social Media Advertising (FB,Instagram, TikTok, Native (Taboola/Outbrain etc) d. Professional Intake Services (explain what we will do for the firm e. Goal is to "back in" to a cost range for signed claimant during testing (media+intake services) f. Provide customer dashboard for tracking daily spend and processed claimants
- Sample Assets a. WildfireLitigationGroup.com b. Sample video creative: https://f.io/1NXf_RW7
@Cameron Rentch Do you have any wildfire as examples I can share with Cheney? She’s asking to see some ad creatives.
@Cameron Rentch she’s asking for the actual ad examples. I only see a website and video example above.
@Cameron Rentch they will accept ad creatives for any tort. They just want to see our work.
here are some additional creatives from various campaigns:
Maui Wildfire https://app.frame.io/presentations/6c563a2e-5c58-4749-89b1-15f2a72dc1a2
Lejeune https://app.frame.io/presentations/1c1c74ca-2e2b-4b2c-81c2-24d0e28e1085
NJ Abuse https://app.frame.io/presentations/4507a0ad-5f86-4553-8d43-f50189c2a885
@Cameron Rentch The Texas Wildfire campaign will be for Mikal Watts' new firm, Watts Law Firm. They want to move forward with a $100k test campaign. What terms should I have added to the invoice to explain this is a test campaign? Also, they have asked us to include exclusivity terms with first right of refusal...so how should that read?
@Patsy Miller let me dig into this and get you everything tmrw pls?
@Cameron Rentch I was trying to get an invoice to them today, but I can certainly wait until tomorrow if you don't have the language needed for it.
I was thinking something along the lines of: Client to prepay invoice in the amount of $100,000. Test campaign for Texas Panhandle Wildfire claims. Client has exclusivity with these wildfire claims and first right of refusal. Shield Legal follows ABA guidelines for rules of lawyer advertising. Client is responsible for compliance with local rules and regulations for lawyer advertising.
@Patsy Miller let me work on the language please
@Cameron Rentch Good morning. I know it’s early for you. Cheney was expecting that invoice yesterday and she’s already following up with me to track it down. Please let me know what language I need to include on the invoice so I can request it this morning.
@Patsy Miller it is only 7:45 AM here. I will have this to you by 10 AM Pacific.
@Patsy Miller lets use this language:
Watts Law Firm shall have excusivity during the testing budget of 100k After test budget has been depleted, Watts Law Firm shall have the first right of refusal to retain exclusivity If Shield Legal can generate more traffic/volume then Watts Law Firm is willing to pay for then Shield Legal shall have the right to work with other law firms.
@Cameron Rentch perfect. Thanks Cam. We scheduled a call that will include Mikal on Friday. You should have the invite already. Let me know if that doesn’t work for you. It was challenging to find availability for all.
One more thing. They are asking for additional pricing on other fires. This was her specific question: Can you send stats and investment needed to pursue cases for Maui and Hermit's Peak fires? - this would be great to get prior to Friday's meeting.
@Patsy Miller I will take a look stay tuned and great job!
@Cameron Rentch Mikal (and Cheney and Rob) want to come tour the office. They requested April 9th because Mikal will be coming from LA and will stop in Vegas. He wasn’t planning to be at MTMP. I’m trying to push him to come while we are all in town for the conference. How long will you be in Vegas?
@Cameron Rentch Mikal would like to come visit and take a tour the afternoon of the April 9th. Does that work for you? I know Andy won’t be able to make it, but I can meet him there if you are also available.
I tried to get him to come on the 6th but he’s not available.
uggh @Patsy Miller let me see if I can take a flight back out on Tuesday 4/9
@Cameron Rentch Have you had a chance to look into Maui and Hermit’s Peak fires so I can set their expectations on costs?
Also, do you want me to push back on a visit with Mikal on the 9th and try to get him there during MTMP or on the 6th?
@Patsy Miller if there is any way to do it during MTMP or on the 6th that would be optimal. If he cant, then I can find a way to come back on the 9th.
Also, we do not have any current metrics on Maui, as we have not run anything for over 90 days. We would simply have to re-test
@Cameron Rentch thanks for your help. I will see what I can do.
@Cameron Rentch They are interested in the other two fires and believe there are still cases out there. If they want to test each of them, do we require $100k for each?
Mikal may not even make it to Vegas. Will you be able to at least join the call with him this Friday?
@Patsy Miller I will def be on the call Friday. I would recommend 50K for Maui and 100K test for NM. If one or the other does not produce, we can pause and move the remaining budget to whichever of the three fire campaigns are producing the best results.
@Patsy Miller here is “first” draft of one of our landers/sites for the TX fires.
@Patsy Miller @Andy Rogers FYI here is some detail in regards to your PFAS request. Below is what we are currently running for firms at 1500/per>
Criteria:
Lived on or near a known Military base with contaminated water (high levels of PFAS) OR Used known contaminated water with high levels of PFAS (residential, well, etc) OR Willing to undergo blood test for high levels of PFAS
Diagnosed within last 20 years OR had exposure after 1960 and were diagnosed within 20 years
Additionally, very long latencies of 40+ years or more since last known exposure to AFFF/PFAS are only acceptable for Kidney Cancer and Testicular Cancer IF they have a minimum of 10 exposures.
**Approximate minimum latency - duration between first exposure and diagnosis
Category A Injuries - most highly linked
Kidney Cancer 15 years, but can be less for aggressive cancer types
Testicular Cancer 15 years, but can be less for aggressive cancer types
Thyroid Disease - hypo and hyperthyroidism, hashimoto’s disease 2 years
Ulcerative Colitis 2 years
Category B Injuries Bladder Cancer 4 years Breast Cancer - MALE ONLY 15 years Liver Cancer 12 years Pancreatic Cancer 10 years Prostate Cancer 15 years, but can be less for aggressive cancer types
Category C Injuries Blood Cancers 5 years
- Leukemia 5 years
- Multiple Myeloma 5 years
- Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma 10 years
- Hodgkin's Lymphoma 5 years **Thyroid Cancer 5 years
More than 75% of what we acquire currently are military or former military that lived on or near one of these bases in the respective state:
Air Force Plant 6
Georgia
Altus Air Force Base
Oklahoma
Bangor Training Site
Maine
Barksdale Air Force Base
Louisiana
Brunswick Naval Air Station
Maine
Buckley Air Force Base
Colorado
Camp Ethan Allen Training Site
Vermont
Camp Grafton
North Dakota
Camp Grayling
Michigan
Camp Navajo
Arizona
Camp Smith
New York
Castle Air Force Base
California
Corry Station
Florida
Coventry Training Site
Rhode Island
Crows NALF
California
Dyess Air Force Base
Texas
Eareckson AFB
Alaska
Eglin Air Force Base
Florida
Ellsworth Air Force Base
South Dakota
Fairchild AFB
Washington
Fort Benning
Georgia/Alabama
Fort Bliss
Texas
Fort Bragg
North Carolina
Fort Campbell
Tennessee/Kentucky
Fort Detrick
Maryland
Fort Devens
Massachusetts
Fort Drum
New York
Fort Gordon
Georgia
Fort Jackson
South Carolina
Fort Leavenworth
Kansas
Fort Leonard Wood
Missouri
Fort Ord
California
Fort Rucker
Alabama
Fort Wainwright
Alaska
Galena Air Force Station
Alaska
George Air Force Base
California
Gillem Annex
Georgia
Great Lakes Naval Station
Illinois
Guam U.S. Naval Activities
Guam
Gunpowder Military Reservation
Maryland
Holloman Air Force Base
New Mexico
Holston Army Ammunition Plant
Tennessee
Iowa Army Ammunition Plant
Iowa
Joint Base Lewis-McChord
Washington
Joint Base San Antonio - Lackland Air Force Base
Texas
Joint Base San Antonio - Randolph Air Force Base
Texas
Joint Force Training Base – Los Alamitos
California
KI Sawyer Air Force Base
Michigan
Langley-Eustis Joint Base
Virginia
Loring AFB
Maine
Lowry AFB
Colorado
March Air Force Base
California
Marianna Readiness Center
Florida
Marine Corps Logistics Base – Barstow
California
Mather Air Force Base
California
Maxwell-Gunter Air Force Base
Alabama
McClellan Air Force Base
California
Military Ocean Terminal Sunny Point
North Carolina
Moody Air Force Base
Georgia
Muñiz Air National Guard Base
Puerto Rico
Natick Soldier Systems Center
Massachusetts
Naval Air Station Cecil Field
Florida
Naval Air Station Fallon
Nevada
Naval Air Station Meridian
Mississippi
Naval Air Station South Weymouth
Massachusetts
Naval Air Station Whidbey Island
Washington
New Hampshire National Guard Training Site –Strafford
New Hampshire
Newark Air Force Base
Ohio
North Penn BRAC
Pennsylvania
North Smithfield
Rhode Island
Norton Air Force Base
California
Ocala Readiness Center
Florida
Parks Reserve Forces Training Area
California
Patrick Air Force Base
Florida
Pease Air Force Base
New Hampshire
Picatinny Arsenal
New Jersey
Plattsburgh Air Force Base
New York
Reese Air Force Base
Texas
Robins Air Force Base
Georgia
Rock Island Arsenal
Illinois
Saufley Field
Florida
Schriever Air Force Base
Colorado
Scott Air Force Base
Illinois
Seymour Johnson Air Force Base
North Carolina
Sharpe Army Depot
California
Silver Bell Army Heliport
Arizona
Terre Haute National Guard Site
Indiana
Tinker Air Force Base
Oklahoma
Tobyhanna Army Depot
Pennsylvania
Travis Air Force Base
California
Trenton NAWC-AD
New Jersey
Vint Hill Farms
Virginia
Warminster NAWC AD
Pennsylvania
Whiteman Air Force Base
Missouri
Willow Grove NASJRB
Pennsylvania
Wurtsmith Air Force Base - Former
Michigan
Yakima Training Center
Washington
@Cameron Rentch Thanks. Can you give me an idea of how to price it for just the four cancers Kevin mentioned in his email: Kidney cancer Testicular cancer Liver cancer Ulcerative colitis
@Patsy Miller it is going to be really expensive if those are the only accepted case types. ELG is taking all of the type of cases referenced in my original slack. My guess is that Kevin is taking these to only get the "TIER 1" injuries, which of course everyone wants but there is still value in the other case types. We are not currently running a "selective" cancer campaign. Let's see if we can find a way to help him see the value in taking all of the case types.
@Cameron Rentch I'm trying to close an Ozempic deal with Sullivan Papain (Craig Silverman). Please advise on estimated acquisition cost for the following criteria:
PC must have taken Ozempic, Wegovy (NO MOUNJARO ONLY CASES) o Ask who prescribed it o Ask where the prescription was filled o Must be branded drug – do not accept case if purchased at a compounding pharmacy
PC was diagnosed with or experienced at least one of the following: o Gastroparesis (severe or permanent stomach paralysis also known as delayed gastric emptying, and often documented as gastric stasis, stomach paralysis, gastric obstruction) o Cyclical vomiting (persistent vomiting for 2 weeks or more) o Deep Vein Thrombosis (DVT) o Ileus or bowel obstruction o Intestinal blockages o Gallbladder removal (prior to 2022 only) o Intraoperative Pulmonary Aspiration o Malnutrition-related disorders (sarcopenia, Wernicke encephalopathy, vitamin deficiencies) o Pancreatic cancer
o PC was hospitalized as a result of the injury
o Injury occurred while taking the drug or within 6 months of stopping (unless injury is pancreatic cancer which could have occurred much longer after stopping)
o PC has stopped taking the drug (do not reject on this alone)
DISQUALIFICATION: o Drug other than Ozempic or Wegovy o PC got drug at a compounding pharmacy o PC still taking the drug that caused the injury o Prior abdominal surgeries (that are non-pancreatic cancer related) o Lupus o Ehlers-Danlos syndrome o Cystic fibrosis o Multiple Sclerosis o Family history of: intestinal blockage; medullary thyroid cancer; Pancreatic cancer; Men 2 syndrome
@Patsy Miller I know it is going to be around $1,600 - $2,000
@Cameron Rentch Do we have any active Suboxone campaigns yet? Erin’s assistant reached out for pricing again.
We do not @Patsy Miller would need test budget.
@Andy Rogers @Patsy Miller fyi this creative is ready for TX panhandle fires for Watts. It’s a really great ad.
SL TX Wildfire Animation-TT-https://f.io/7QjmvSGR
@Patsy Miller @Andy Rogers here are the current video assets and landing pages for the TX Wildfire Campaigns for Watts. These can be submitted to the TX bar. Please keep me posted so I know when we can go live!
SL Texas Wildfires-TB-24188-89-CP-https://f.io/MvRcNZYi SL Texas Wildfires-TB-24188-89-ML-https://f.io/8Mit0a4A SL Texas Wildfires-TB-24188-89-JA-https://f.io/iJ3dYgW8
SL Texas Wildfires-24191-92-CP-https://f.io/z1x--nKD SL Texas Wildfires-24191-92-JA-https://f.io/J-NDEoJX SL Texas Wildfires-24191-92-ML-https://f.io/gabaNENP
SL TX Wildfire Animation-TT-https://f.io/7QjmvSGR SL TX Wildfire Animation-FB-https://f.io/qt5OJvhW
https://txfireclaims.com/ https://txfireclaim.com/ https://txwildfirelaw.com/
@Cameron Rentch Thanks for sharing all this. I’m expecting to speak with Mikal over the weekend and I’m told he will have everything signed and get us funded by Monday. I’m on it. Enjoy your weekend.
My pleasure! Any changes needed just let me know!
@Cameron Rentch Cheney and I are both waiting to hear back from Mikal. I never had the opportunity to speak with him over the weekend. Cheney is still expecting things to come together today or tomorrow.
ok, I would suggest they get everything submitted to the Texas bar asap.
Agreed. I have definitely suggested that already.
@Cameron Rentch Has the Brad Morris campaign launched yet? If not, do you have an idea of when to expect it to go live so I can set his expectations appropriately?
@Patsy Miller should be live by tomorrow
@Andy Rogers @Cameron Rentch I had a conversation with Ron Makarem today. He is not my client, but I’m stepping in to help because he is very frustrated. He has heard all sorts of conflicting information about AFFF, from vendors he met at MTMP.
He found a vendor that will provide him with a similar acquisition cost but exclude Prostate cancer…since he’s hearing there’s no value there.
I explained to him that we will never be the cheapest, but our quality is better than I’ve ever seen in all my years in this space. He seemed to think “quality” meant we were only signing high value cases so I spent time explaining fallout rates and compensable cases. Unfortunately, I was too late in my efforts as he has already signed up with another vendor.
While I expect law firms to diversify, I’m always skeptical when a vendor has convinced a mass tort newbie that he should invest in an altered criteria at a low cost. I’m sure you both agree. I explained that a low cost with a 35-50% fallout means he has essentially doubled his acquisition cost.
Ron wants to stop his AFFF campaign as soon as possible. He thought it was stopped last week when he still had $80k remaining. His Monday report apparently showed he is now at $30k. He wants either a refund or the opportunity to move that balance to IL Juvenile. (Which he says Greg was supposed to help him with months ago.) Can we make that happen?
He also mentioned that he wants to diversify with other litigating firms. He’s already scheduled to speak to Cade and is being introduced to Motley Rice. He didn’t exactly say he was not happy with BG, but it seems he is disappointed in delayed responses he’s getting from Jon. (It seems like other vendors are introducing him to other firms, unless we made the Cade intro and I’m just not aware of that.)
Lastly, I want to be clear I am only trying to help with this client. I am not trying to take commissions from another sales person. This is the second conversation I’ve had with Ron where he expressed concern that Greg can never help him, is not able to answer questions, and makes failed attempts to connect him with the appropriate people. He explained that he doesn’t even understand why Greg is his account manager. Greg even called him while we were talking and he said he never even wants to answer his calls.
He explained that when he first decided to get into mass torts he called the number in his phone for Walker and didn’t know it was Greg’s cell number. He said he was instantly passed to Andy and Greg has never been helpful.
In an effort to keep this client in a positive space, I am happy to help.
I need to get back to him with his final balance and whether we can move it to IL Juvenile or refund him.
@Patsy Miller @Cameron Rentch As you can see here, we did stop his campaign on April 6th. He has not got a single need lead since then. However we were still working the leads in his account and they were signed. This is part of marketing and I know you know this.
That said we can move over his funds.
@Andy Rogers @Patsy Miller tbh I would say we move his funds to IL Juv, deplete them and then just send him on his way to work with other vendors. We don’t really need his business.
@Cameron Rentch @Patsy Miller how do you want us to move the funds? Can you take this email as permission to do so?
yeah I got it @Andy Rogers need retainer
We already have him running on it I believe. Just need to ad the funds to his exsictong campaign. Let me confirm
@Andy Rogers Is it an Illinois Juvenile retainer? For some reason I thought he was only running AFFF with us.
@Patsy Miller @Cameron Rentch Patsy you are correct. Can you please reach out to Jon Becker and get one? Thank you
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Ron wants to speak with Jon before launching Illinois. We have a call scheduled for Friday at 3 central.
I'm attaching the retainer here, but please hold off on the launch until after our call on Friday. Thanks!
*Thread Reply:* @Patsy Miller @Andy Rogers are we goo to go here with Markarem for IL Abuse?
*Thread Reply:* We will know Monday. Patsy and Jon Becker spoke with him yesterday and we are trying to get another $100k or so for the campaign
*Thread Reply:* @Cameron Rentch I spoke with Ron today and he wants to move forward with Illinois Juv Hall. He is adding another $70k, to make it a total of $100,500 for the campaign (including the balance of $30,500 that was moved from AFFF). I'm about to request an invoice for this.
We need to use THIS retainer packet for the campaign (different than what I sent before) because it includes Ron's signature.
How quickly can we launch, so I can set his expectations appropriately? @Andy Rogers
@Andy Rogers @Patsy Miller I am putting a lot of work into these campaign set ups when it seems that people are all over the place in being ready to move forward.
I would appreciate it if everyone would not give me any orders or ask for any work to be done moving forward until we have the money in hand and affirm completely aligned and ready to move forward.
Also, reminding everyone. We do not do refunds. Period. Only if we agree to it upfront. Especially when we have done everything exactly as we said we would. Thank you.
@Cameron Rentch Still working to try and close something with AWKO. Mary Liu sent me this today. Would you like to look into this school district before we agree to run a campaign?
From Mary: I currently have a case against the Glendale School District. The school is Crescenta Valley High School. The abuse occurred in the mid-2000s. I plan to file the case later this year after we finalize our investigation. If there are additional cases within this school district and/or school, that would be helpful.
@Patsy Miller I have run a couple of campaigns at schools in Glendale, and pretty sure this specific school. I think we pass on this one for the time being. Lets keep trying to find something that has more chance for success.
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers got it.
Locking down an 8am call with Watts on Friday. You will both get an invite. Central time.
@Patsy Miller earliest I can do calls is 8:30am pst. If yall want to do without me that’s ok too
@Cameron Rentch I told them it was too early for you and they sent it anyway. Thanks for jumping in with a quick response so they would adjust the time. I'm happy you will be on the call.
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Good morning. Unfortunately, we lost the opportunity with Parker Waichman. I received this from Melanie this morning:
Following our prior call, I circled up with my team internally and given the timing and how long this has taken to get off the ground, we will not be proceeding with this particular campaign.
With that said, I’m happy to work through final language with you so that should we work together in the future on a different project, we will not have the same issues with formulating the contract.
@Cameron Rentch @Patsy Miller Paraquat test from Carter/ The Wagstaff at around $11k for only $250,000 but understand they need to let us know like at $130,000 if we are gonna keep going.
I would like to do it as I believe this is a great in.
Please tell me you approve. 🙂
Patsy did an AMAZING JOB!
great job @Patsy Miller and @Andy Rogers i'll vote yes! Send me criteria please
@Patsy Miller @Andy Rogers can you please get me answers to these questions:
- Explain the "Affidavit of Use" with intake package. Is this simply a form the person signs digitally as part of the retainer packet?
- If NOT dx with Parkinsons, claimaints will be accepted with 1) at least 1 tier 1 symptom and 2) and least one PD medication?
- No state restrictions? (please confirm accepted in all states) Other than that I think we are clear.
*Thread Reply:* @Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers This should answer your questions, Cam:
The affidavit is a required part of every intake packet. It needs to be completely filled out and signed by the client.
If there is not an official PD diagnosis, we will only accept if all of the following are met: Client must have at least 8 days of direct exposure to Paraquat (e.g. sprayed PQ, mixed PQ, transferred PQ into application equipment, and/or worked in a PQ-manufacturing plant). No indirect exposure if no PD diagnosis. Client must still be living Client must have at least 1 Tier 1 Symptom from the criteria Client must be currently taking one of the PD medications on the criteria that has been prescribed to the client by a medical professional Previous medication use that has been discontinued does not qualify Taking someone else’s PD meds does not qualify
We will accept exposure from any of the 50 states in the U.S.
*Thread Reply:* @Cameron Rentch I'm attaching all the documents that need to be completed/signed for the Wagstaff/AWD Paraquat campaign. It's a lot. They need integration and I'm getting with Hillel to get the details.
I'm still expecting their MSA before I can invoice them.
*Thread Reply:* @Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers I've got the Law Ruler API Guide for Wagstaff/AWD Paraquat (attached). Who needs to receive this?
Unique values for this campaign are as follows: CaseType = Paraquat LeadProvider = AWD Law Hear = Shield Legal custom796 = 40 custom797 = 50
*Thread Reply:* Me @Patsy Miller I’ll handle it
*Thread Reply:* @Cameron Rentch Do you know Hillel Charm? He was originally with Law Ruler, but I believe he is actually employed by Wagstaff now. He is the contact for the integration. Should I let him know you will be the point person?
@Andy Rogers
*Thread Reply:* @Cameron Rentch Do you need me to make an introduction to Hillel Charm so you can discuss the Wagstaff integration with him...or do you already know him?
*Thread Reply:* @Andy Rogers @Patsy Miller note that the original intake questionnaire documents that were provided do not have Doctor information from my review.
*Thread Reply:* I can see the doctor questions on one of the questionnaires.
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Mikal emailed me along with the team he referenced on the call. I've got the signed invoices and I'm expecting the retainer packets from his team. I will share everything when I have it.
@Cameron Rentch Please share the Maui creative when you have a chance and I will get it to Jon in Hawaii. Thanks.
I will get the Maui creatives over as well
@Patsy Miller @Andy Rogers here is a creative google folder for the Watts Wildfires https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1JTRN1G_cHeJ9NXU8D0vZMZPTs1bXL74v?usp=sharing
Here are also additional maui creatives:
ShieldLegal-Lahaina Fires https://f.io/pW6EWAWs ShieldLegal-Lahaina Fires https://f.io/y8J2r2mW ShieldLegal-Lahaina Fires https://f.io/7WeKrAbh ShieldLegal-Lahaina Fires https://f.io/Qkp7cIue ShieldLegal-Lahaina Fires https://f.io/qk_APRo5
here is an example for URL we are using for the campaigns https://wildfirelitigationgroup.com/ Note the landing pages are accessable from the boxes in the center of the page: https://wildfirelitigationgroup.com/
@Cameron Rentch I heard back from Jon Givens about the Maui ad creative and he told me "These ads all say that HECO had a strategy to cut power in bad weather, and this is not true. The problem is the opposite, they never had a strategy. Please correct this before placing these ads."
He also told me "It also said there were 3000 houses burned down when it's more like 2000 homes and almost 3000 structures total.".
Please send me at least a couple of the "corrected" ads when you have them ready so I can show him it was done. THanks!
@Patsy Miller I need retainer docs, everything from WATTS ASAP PLEASE
intake, retainer docs, distribution for sign ups etc
@Cameron Rentch I've been trying to track it all down and will get it to you as soon as I have it.
@Patsy Miller @Andy Rogers need to do a call with you both re Carter/Wagstaff Paraquat. Have a couple of things to unpack. If we can do it right now will take about 15 min
*Thread Reply:* @Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Carter messaged me back. They will accept LAST FOUR of the social! He is expecting to get me the MSA tomorrow.
@Cameron Rentch I think this Makarem situation is unique and it's clear to me that Brian Thiessen has not seen this either, so I want to make sure I handle this appropriately.
We are moving the AFFF balance of $30,500 to his new Illinois Juv Hall campaign, for a total of $100,500. Ron would like that reflected on the invoice, rather than the invoice he got that simply reads $70k. He would also like the invoice to reflect the "$4000 estimated cost of the signed retainers will stay the same until the total budget of $100,500 is depleted" (or something to that effect).
How would you suggest we add these terms to the invoice?
@Patsy Miller
- have the inoice for 100,5000
- have a line below that shows a credit applied from __ campaign for 30500
- balance due of 70,000 media and intake combined estimated KPI of 4000 per
@Patsy Miller @Andy Rogers FYI...here are updaetd creatives for Maui, more to come
SL Maui Fire update-24213-FB-https://f.io/UeMG1kiX SL Maui Fire update-24213-TT-https://f.io/8kv2GAmw SL Maui Fire update-24213-TT-60 sec-https://f.io/j2VxkDGu
@Patsy Miller please keep me posted on all documents for Watts. Also, what is status on Wagstaff/Carter? @Andy Rogers can ya'll help move these along swiftly? If they need some type of MSA please have them circulate it ASAP as well.
@Cameron Rentch I'm expecting the retainer packets for all three Watts campaigns sometime today.
Wagstaff/AWD (Carter) will need an MSA signed. He is supposed to send it my way today as well.
On the Wagstaff integration, do you need me to introduce you to Hillel Charm, or do you already know him?
@Cameron Rentch Not sure if you saw my message yesterday, but Carter let me know that Wagstaff will accept the last four digits of the social on the affidavit.
no @Patsy Miller I have his email and will handle all with Hillel with team. Thanks - I did not see message but Andy let me know that so good to go there...
once I get all docs from Wagstaff, invoice signed, and payment we will get API integrations moving.
@Patsy Miller @Cameron Rentch Patsy, I a couple of answers for you on your questions:
• Any updates on my company card? • Also, can I get access to Law Ruler so I can see campaign activity? They are working on the company card but it takes a little longer. Please feel free to submit expenses as soon as you incur them so we can get you paid. We do NOT want you to go upside down on that.
As for Law Ruler, I do NOT have access nor does Cameron. That is under TIP per company policy Shield Legal does NOT have access to that. You can have Brianna or the data team get you what you need.
@Andy Rogers Thanks. Maybe it’s not Law Ruler that I need. I would ultimately like to have a way to see campaign activity. In my past life my email address was on the retainer delivery email distribution list…so I could see the signed retainer in real time. Do we have that as an option?
As an example, I think the Morris AFFF campaign has been active for a week, but I have zero visibility on the campaign activity. I don’t even know for sure that Brad is getting copied on the retainers.
@Cameron Rentch Do all of our ads say “attorney advertisement” (or something similar) clear and present?
Watts is telling me the Hawaii ads must have that disclosure.
@Patsy Miller
On all ad platforms in the ad text(below the ad not physically on the ad” this td text is clearly visible
Attorneys Responsible For This Advertisement Watts Law Firm 811 Barton Springs Road #725 Austin, TX 78704
all landing pages have this clear and concise disclaimer:
Attorneys Responsible For This Advertisement Watts Law Firm 811 Barton Springs Road #725 Austin, TX 78704
This website is not part of the Facebook website or Facebook, Inc. Additionally, this site is NOT endorsed by Facebook in any way. FACEBOOK is a trademark of FACEBOOK, INC.
ATTORNEY ADVERTISING. This Website is not intended to provide medical advice. Consult your doctor or physician before starting or stopping any medication. Discontinuing a prescribed medication without your doctor’s advice can result in injury or death. are not an indication of future results. Every case is evaluated on its own facts and circumstances. Valuation depends on facts, injuries, jurisdiction, venue, witnesses, parties, and testimony, among other factors. No representation is made that the quality of legal services to be performed is greater than the quality of legal services performed by other lawyers. Wildfire Litigation Group does not itself provide legal services. Cases will be referred to third party attorneys and law firms. Do not rely on this advertisement in making any medical decision. Please call your physician before making any medical decision, including altering your use of any drug. Court costs and case expenses may be the responsibility of the client. Not available in all states. This advertisement is not intended as a testimonial, endorsement or dramatization, and does not constitute a guarantee, warranty, or prediction regarding the outcome of your legal matter, either expressed or implied. Anyone considering a lawyer should independently investigate the lawyers' credentials and ability, and not rely upon advertisements or self-proclaimed expertise. Only persons age 18 or older have permission to access our Service. Our Service does not address anyone under the age of 13("Children").
If they have physical office addresses in Maui and NM I would recommend they provide to me so we can add to landing pages and corresponding ads in each respective state.
@Cameron Rentch just got this from one of the attorneys in Hawaii:
The ads have to say "Advertising Material" at the top and bottom of the ad (or beginning and end of audio). The ad also needs to include the name of at least one HI attorney responsible for the ad (usually at the end of the ad).
I need the name of the Hawaii attorney responsible for the advertising
@Cameron Rentch Jan Apo of
Apo, Reck & Kusachi, Attorneys at Law
24 N. Church Street, Suite 302
Wailuku, HI 96793
Phone: <tel:(808)244-6073|(808) 244-6073>
Fax: <tel:(808)495-4441|(808) 495-4441>
Website: www.jankapo.com
@Patsy Miller @Andy Rogers Updated creatives for Maui for Watts... Animated videos https://f.io/bumfoDjv
Google drive folder with updated creatives for Maui: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/19YEpjCgUzFWVQ30pM2pH4EGHuXVYJ3ex
also here are updated landers with disclaimer for Maui firm: Wildfire Sites https://wildfirelitigationgroup.com/ https://wildfirejusticegroup.com/
@Cameron Rentch The attorneys involved with Watts are asking why we need this language in the disclosure: "Consult your doctor or physician before starting or stopping any medication. Discontinuing a prescribed medication without your doctor’s advice can result in injury or death." Is this something that can be removed from the wildfire ads?
Also, it looks like this is an incomplete sentence: " are not an indication of future results."
because it is required by our lawyers, and also required by platforms per their policy departments. Nothing can be changed in our disclaimers. Nobody reads it tell them to move off and stop being "lawyers" please. This is irrelevant
@Cameron Rentch Carter needs our EIN number to fill in the MSA. Is that something you can get for me, or do I need to ask someone in HR?
@Patsy Miller I will fill in when we review MSA at legal
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Here's confirmation from Brian that he received funds from Watts:
@Patsy Miller here are some more creatives for the NM wildfires for Watts
SL NW Wildfires-24203-CP-https://f.io/tGQxft9A SL NW Wildfires-24203-JA-https://f.io/naLZOOxi SL NW Wildfires-24203-ML-https://f.io/QHEB1pYQ
@Patsy Miller @Andy Rogers MSA with comments for Carter
@Cameron Rentch Cheney is telling me the ads/video scripts are factually incorrect for both Maui and Texas. She has not yet reviewed the NM ads. She’s asking for the ad scripts for all videos so she can help get them corrected.
She also wants to jump on a call Tuesday at 1 EST / 10 Pacific. Are you available?
@Cameron Rentch Are you available for a call at 10am pacific tomorrow? (See my message above. Cheney is asking for a call)
@Patsy Miller @Andy Rogers here are the scripts for the widlfire campaigns. PLEASE DO NOT MODIFY THE DOCUMENTS USING THE EDIT FEATURE. ONLY USE THE "SUGGESTION" FEATURE AT THE TOP:
Maui Wildfire: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZdvuSHC2fu3B7fMULg2PegoNW3vEiK38lBX4LLmdDtM/edit https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CI-MfweHhiyJ49zTFB2yxf3D_NTPJRHk9y3TNpXfzhU/edit
Texas Panhandle:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ecj_VAq1gYb3eenXlTfhQFZUGDcaKNKEqx9UU_6pD1Y/edit https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ECjz4nVhn-BSKXHarNRsi5zSZEto5FoJcUNROYtKd9w/edit https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S21M3lSsk3AWgwSexTBEAGKu9p9G6zHYN1jdwNTpn7k/edit
Hermits Peak:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aRb9IKeyeTc7EcsfoC5N9BoEqlzoqIrTsuNj2xPPijY/edit https://docs.google.com/document/d/17kx77q3rpex54iNy8UgIXYC79JrBh2BGW_EtWtBKDFs/edit https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ibssCrcTF7IMEDB3WqSOPO_ynD-FS85wJSI96T18Klk/edit
@Cameron Rentch Got a message from Carter that they are accepting the changes, with some grammatical corrections. He needs our W9. Where can I get a copy of our W9? (I can’t invoice him until we sign the MSA and get him this W9)
@Cameron Rentch Also, are you going to be signing the MSA? They will send it via DocuSign.
I will sign the docusign and will connect accounting with him directly for W9
@Patsy Miller @Andy Rogers google docs for Wildfire sites/landers
Home Page https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hHDQN67OPTqYEmDQPp83yOhQsW1uQtmpHlmdR_CrXbg/edit#heading=h.13qguysufuf8 Hermits Creek https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FJvKGM5vrefr0hpAWEbdRzsffAVORa2Xlb8nhGUAQUE/edit#heading=h.m7frpadnjc33 Lahaina Maui https://docs.google.com/document/d/17K9ZlBzxkcXYhd7nToDUepwB6iw-nSG9EHIFHuvtu6U/edit Texas Panhandle https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oK6gB880ZIhLts2MpNQqdz9LrghpxZI3kh6He0-mOZk/edit#heading=h.asxnxucb7mmp
Wildfire Justice Group [v2] https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1HFgs9KrQOfkkICVInjLyPt_3M1s5oBGd?usp=drive_link
Wildfire Litigation Group [v2] https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/19GzCnHlBXyhoUHty2u3JiGsc7adLRVyH?usp=drive_link
Wildfire Litigation Group [v1] https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1tst921BPbRZZ61iy1Ft2alqh3HuDLx_Q?usp=drive_link
Lahaina Maui Wildfires https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-xLqB3rqCQahCC2R4iRg4IduTY1jO80v?usp=drive_link
Lahaina Maui Wildfire (full sites) https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1N88l2HbWKt9bpQ8IkNZdzUKkLAT2aMMD?usp=drive_link
California Wildfire Damage Lawsuit https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KqLcdalLRSQ50yP2ehjap3SbR6mX1W_V?usp=drive_link
@Patsy Miller more creatives and scripts. I really do not want to change these as they are very time intensive to make. These are great creatives: SL NM Hermit Peak-animation-24205-FB-https://f.io/JdTFPKAv SL NM Hermit Peak-animation-24205-TT-https://f.io/N1ARzEp0
these are also ready for review: (added disclaimers as requested)
SL Maui WF-24214-CP-https://f.io/iJKrmpMA SL Maui WF-24214-CP-TT-https://f.io/FGRZNlYh SL Maui WF-24214-JA-https://f.io/OBNbgQWZ SL Maui WF-24214-JV-https://f.io/mY-Y-XZM SL Maui WF-24214-ML-https://f.io/A7VJmLcI
@Cameron Rentch thanks so much. I sent it all for review and will let you know if I get any feedback
@Cameron Rentch Just in case you haven't seen the emails from Rob...
This was his message: Below are links to the new language we'd like to use on the landing pages. We'll let you guys work out how to work it into the page. This is also good information to use for the scripts for the videos.
More suggestions to follow.
Lahaina: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CiZJsceu87uOVzkXE6WIHL7G_Laqn8lQhn70814WzV8/edit#heading=h.h9a543qdfjdk Texas: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AUFdiokLmVRiXKlc_GeA8pxUdiZ5aq_baHFZoCbnhw0/edit Hermit's: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PE6p_8TD2nRp8ggt6wJ4FTtQUl9siCrL1S6ApEGseSE/edit
@Cameron Rentch Here's the next message from Rob: Below are feedback notes from one of the Panhandle fire attorneys (in red). He also mentioned that the 687 Reamer fire is left off the website. We're not going to worry about the fact that he doesn't "get" the tiktok videos. We're trusting you guys that these type of ads will work for this tort. I think some of his issues with language on the website will be addressed by the new language I sent in a previous email.
Thanks, Rob
SL Texas Wildfires-24191-92-JA-https://f.io/s-NDEoJX I frankly don’t understand these videos where you have one person talking to themselves as if they were two different people. Sorry, I just don’t get it. Also, the actors don’t seem like they would be from the panhandle at all. I cannot see most people in the panhandle relating to them. I like the single person talking in the last one above but again, neither of these guys seem like they are from or of the panhandle.
SL Texas Wildfires-24191-92-ML-https://f.io/gabaNENP This one is pretty good. He seems like he’s from the panhandle.
SL TX Wildfire Animation-TT-https://f.io/7QjmvSGR SL TX Wildfire Animation-FB-https://f.io/qt5OJvhW There are several things I would change:
- Don’t put an American flag on Texas. Put a Texas flag on there. A lot of people in the panhandle see Texas as separate from the rest of the country and some of them want to secede.
- The placement of the fire relative to where it happened is wrong. Way too far south on the map. And the area and number of counties being shown and affected is way too big and way too many.
- Where are we coming up with 60 counties having evacuation orders? That sounds completely wrong.
- “This affects Texas’ one eighty six point one billion dollars agricultural economy.” Sounds like the way bad AI would say it.
https://txfireclaim.com/ https://txwildfirelaw.com/
- Uses the word victims – I believe Mikal wants to use “survivors”
- What are the percentages on there? I don’t understand what they are supposed to mean?
- There were very few injuries so I don’t think that should be our lead – needs to focus on property loss
- There were two wrongful death cases and both of them are already signed up so why include “wrongful death”
- Uses a picture that most definitely is not in the panhandle
- Discusses a single origin for the fire – there are multiple fires with multiple origins
- Talks as though the fire is ongoing and not contained – it was over long ago.
@Cameron Rentch Do you have any experience with FELA campaigns?
@Patsy Miller I do, not very positive but @Andy Rogers mentioned this criteria may be slightly different and cancer related as opposed to injury. I will be open to reviewing it.
@Cameron Rentch Here’s the criteria for FELA lung cancer:
Diagnosis by biopsy of lung cancer or AML within last 3 years
Employed directly for railroad for 10 years or more prior to 1990.
Best exposure is working inside the roundhouse but riding the rails and laying track work too.
Deceased cases must have names of living RR coworkers who worked with Deceased at the RR
Mesothelioma sign up any you see with diagnosis or death in last 3 years.
No colon cancer or throat cancer or asbestosis
Exposure in continental US.
Be wary of people with prior lawsuits against RR for personal injury. Lots of very broad waivers out there.
They are also interested in Maritime lung cancer/AML claims with exactly the same criteria but must have worked on a container ship.
What test budget should I request? $25k for each? Also, would you run this as two separate campaigns? @Cameron Rentch
@Patsy Miller I will review. Stay tuned. If we do agree it will be 50K each.
@Patsy Miller Congratulations on your first commissions. First of a LOT more. For April you earned: • Patsy Miller: $13,750 ◦ Morris: $150,000 at 2.5% ◦ Watts: $250,000 at 4% You should see these on your first pay check this month
@Cameron Rentch Carter told me the attorneys are reviewing your changes to the MSA today. He doesn't think there will be an issue with it and you should expect a new MSA once they have had a chance to review it...relatively soon.
@Cameron Rentch Any updates on FELA/Maritime Lung Cancer?
@Cameron Rentch Where do we stand with the Watts creative and landing pages? I’m expecting the retainer packets today.
@Patsy Miller will be working on it have not even looked at it yet
tbh they did give us anything the way we asked for it. send me the retainer packets and distribution for the signed retainers asap please
@Cameron Rentch Understood. Lots of back and forth.
@Cameron Rentch just got this from Carter with additional redlines. Please let me know if this is acceptable and I will have them send it your way for signatures.
@Cameron Rentch Is it possible to extend the Morris AFFF campaign for a renewal of only $35k, or do I need to push back for a bigger budget?
@Cameron Rentch We have the retainer packets for the two Watts campaigns. Do you need me to post them somewhere on Slack? (You should have emails from Cheney.)
Do you have everything you need to finalize the creative and landing pages?
@Patsy Miller if you can simply grab and slack them to me directly here that would be great
I have not reviewed their replies re the creatives and landing page updates. Did they follow our instructions?
They basically said they don't want to redo the ads. They provided content for us to use as needed. It's our marketing campaigns and they don't want to get involved with CTAs and content requirements. They are trusting you to create a successful campaign. They just wanted to make sure the dates and locations were accurate. Once they get your revisions they will present them to the firms and get them approved.
@Patsy Miller but did they provide "accurate dates and locations" and give precise instructions?
@Cameron Rentch I actually just spoke with Cheney and she is planning to send a precise map for the locations.
@Cameron Rentch These are for the Maui Fire Campaign:
@Cameron Rentch These are for the Texas Panhandle Fire Campaign:
@Cameron Rentch These are the Panhandle fire maps from Watts...
@Patsy Miller please send PDF versions to me without Mikal in it. Have them forward the actual images and please ensure they are properly licensed for commercial use
@Patsy Miller please also send me distribution for Watts signed retainer packets. If we need to API, we can but we are about 10 days to integrate, so would require we start manually emailing but then we can back-fill once API is done. Please send me API documents if required. Either way need distro asap. thank you
@Cameron Rentch intake@wattsllp.com (no integration)
@Cameron Rentch Here are the panhandle fire maps...in two formats...
@Patsy Miller I still do not have clarity on exactly what Rob and Chenney want, I am going to email them again but it's kind of impossible for me to guess what they want
They told me they are not concerned with how you are marketing, as long as you include the content they gave you...and the correct map.
@Patsy Miller that is not what his email says^
you are missing the point though, where do I add the content, which actual page? it is a complete pain in the ass that they cant simply follow instrcutions.
@Cameron Rentch It's my understanding the documents they sent us are content for the specific landing pages for each fire (now only Lahaina and Texas Panhandle) and they expect us to figure out how to incorporate their content into our pages. I'd be happy to jump on a call with them to ask for specific URLs and such. Will that help?
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Greg Genson's Illinois Juvenile Hall campaign for Hardison/BG ($100k) is ready to roll. Retainers need to be delivered via email to sherrymyers@pilmma.org, masstortintake@baileyglasser.com and patsy@shield-legal.com.
Retainer packet attached.
Please let me know when to expect this campaign to launch so I can set their expectations appropriately.
@Cameron Rentch I’m sure this will not make you happy. I just got a message saying we cannot use the fire maps I sent you earlier today. I’m expecting new maps. I will get them to you as soon as I have them.
If they hadn’t already funded these campaigns I would not believe this was ever going to play out. Exhausting.
yeah a bit of a pain - we will figure it out.
@Cameron Rentch These are the final, final fire maps that we can use...
@Cameron Rentch I was told the Hardison check bounced for insufficient funds. I’m guessing you will want to slow down that launch while I try to work through this.
@Cameron Rentch We finally received the money from Cochran and their AFFF campaign is ready to move forward. I'm attaching the retainer packet.
Retainers should be delivered via email to: masstorts@cochrantexas.com patsy@shield-legal.com
Cochran AFFF Campaign Criteria: PNC is not represented by another attorney PNC was directly exposed to AFFF in the workplace PNC’s amount of exposure qualifies PNC is in the military or a civilian firefighter → 1+ exposure PNC is NOT in the military and is NOT a civilian firefighter → 5+ exposures PNC’s exposure was in 1961 (inclusive) or later
PNC was diagnosed with one of the following medical conditions: Kidney Cancer Testicular Cancer Thyroid Disease: Hypothyroidism, Hyperthyroidism, Graves’ Disease, Hashimoto’s Disease Ulcerative Colitis Bladder Cancer MALE Breast Cancer Liver Cancer Pancreatic Cancer Prostate Cancer (55 years old or younger at diagnosis) Blood Cancer: Leukemia, Multiple Myeloma, Hodgkin’s Lymphoma, Non-Hodgkin’s Lymphoma
IF PNC IS DECEASED: PNC’s date of death must fall within the SOL based on the US state where PNC died
Disqualify if: PNC is already represented. PNC was not directly exposed to AFFF. PNC did not have workplace exposure. PNC’s only exposure was in a gas chamber. PNC does not have enough exposures for their job title. PNC was not diagnosed with a qualifying condition. PNC was exposed in 1960 or earlier. PNC is deceased and their date of death is outside of the SOL for the state in which they died.
@Cameron Rentch Avram Blair is asking me for pricing on RoundUp. I know the Saddlerock campaign is moving very slowly. Do we want to take on another campaign?
@Patsy Miller no not interested in roundup, likely going to cancel the saddleback campaign we have DQ'd the last 9 claimants for dual rep. I told Craig and Andy I did not want to run it in the first place
@Cameron Rentch If price wasn’t a concern, would you still turn him away? I know we are locked into a $4k price range now. Would a higher price be worth a shot?
@Patsy Miller probably, I really think it has run it's course. Let me see how the rest of the week goes
@Cameron Rentch What are we seeing on CPAP...with injury list that qualifies for settlement?
@Patsy Miller
If you can please help me on this. I need SPECIFIC answers on the questions/replies in bold:
SL TX Wildfire Animation-TT-https://f.io/7QjmvSGR SL TX Wildfire Animation-FB-https://f.io/qt5OJvhW
The placement of the fire relative to where it happened is wrong. Way too far south on the map. And the area and number of counties being shown and affected is way too big and way too many. I need direct answer on the number of counties, and preferrably an article to reference for it. We have the maps but I need a list of counties and/or articles
Where are we coming up with 60 counties having evacuation orders? That sounds completely wrong. I need the list of counties, and article for reference.
“This affects Texas’ one eighty six point one billion dollars agricultural economy.” Sounds like the way bad AI would say it. Please provide exactly how they would like us to have this figure "phonetically" prounounced.
@Patsy Miller I have team members requesting access on the google docs that Ron provided for content, please have them change to "anyone with the link" can edit
He has updated them so anyone with a link can access them.
@Cameron Rentch Quick update. Still waiting on AWD attorney to countersign the MSA and then they will send the wire.
@Patsy Miller got it. We’re ready and getting API set up.
@Cameron Rentch the Hardison check bounced and Brian told me it could take up to ten days to get it redeposited. Ken Hardison is at PILMMA this week so he can’t wire the funds or send a new check. Just making sure we don’t launch, unless of course you are comfortable with knowing the funds will be there at some point.
Changes to the animated Texas Wildfires video based on the notes given. Let me know if this version will work for the law firm. Thanks. https://f.io/4d97EJDx
@Cameron Rentch I will share that video and get their feedback. Here’s their responses to your previous questions…
I need direct answer on the number of counties, and preferrably an article to reference for it. We have the maps but I need a list of counties and/or article
I'm not able to find an article that mentions the exact number of counties affected by the wildfires. That 60 county number mentioned was at the very beginning of the fires when no one knew how big they were going to get and the Governor issued the 60 county order to be prepared. If you feel the need to mention the number of counties, the article below mentions - Roberts, Hemphill, Hutchinson, Gray, Carson and Potter counties. https://agrilifeextension.tamu.edu/2024-panhandle-wildfires/
“This affects Texas’ one eighty six point one billion dollars agricultural economy.” Sounds like the way bad AI would say it.
Please provide exactly how you would like us to have this figure "phonetically" pronounced.
Pronounce it - "One hundred eighty six point one billion dollar agricultural economy"
@Patsy Miller please have Rob review, use suggestion link for edits or approve. Must be approved before we hire actors
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Greg Genson just called me in a panic over Brent Carson. Brent told him he received a letter from Greg Cade stating only six injuries would be paid and the others would have to go through daubert and would take up to four more years. Brent is concerned #1 that his campaign was funded a month ago and he hasn't received notice of any activity and #2 that he hasn't gotten confirmation that he can have us sign only those six injuries...or move his budget to sex abuse. What should I relay to Greg?
weve already havedled all of this with Brent. @Andy Rogers please connect with them
@Cameron Rentch @Patsy Miller yes Greg called me multiple times sounding the alarm. I connected with Brent. This is just another example of not controlling our clients and instead them
@Patsy Miller @Andy Rogers any update on the Napoli campaigns for FELA and Martime cancers?
@Cameron Rentch I had a call with them on Friday and they are on board with running two test campaigns. Paul Napoli has been traveling with family but I’m expecting his approval quickly. He told Patrick (a partner) to give him the green light…and he did.
@Cameron Rentch Rob/Cheney liked the script for Texas Panhandle, but they do not want to send it to the firms for approval until they have everything else...rather than sending one item at a time. They are asking me for an ETA on all the other elements that were being changed. What would you like for me to tell them?
@Cameron Rentch I've got the retainer packet and I'm expecting the criteria from Breit Biniazan later today, along with the wire. This is for the Cumberland Hospital sex abuse campaign. Just a heads up, the firm will need to review the creative for this campaign. You can read a little about it here: https://www.bbtrial.com/cumberland-abuse/
@Patsy Miller here are updated landing pages and websites, please review and have rob approve:
Full Sites/Landing Pages https://wildfirelitigationgroup.com/ https://wildfirelitigationgroup.com/lahaina-maui-wildfires-cases/ https://wildfirelitigationgroup.com/texas-panhandle-wildfires-cases/
https://wildfirejusticegroup.com/ https://wildfirejusticegroup.com/lahaina-maui-wildfires-cases/ https://wildfirejusticegroup.com/texas-panhandle-wildfires-cases/
Texas Panhandle Wildfires Sites/Landing Pages https://txfireclaims.com/ https://txfireclaims.com/texas-panhandle-wildfires-cases https://txfireclaim.com/ https://txfireclaim.com/texas-panhandle-wildfires-cases https://txwildfirelaw.com/ https://txwildfirelaw.com/texas-panhandle-wildfires-cases
@Cameron Rentch This is the feedback from Rob/Cheney, before they send it to the firms for approval:
Several of these sites/landing pages have extensive mention of the Hermits Peak fires. As previously mentioned, Mikal does not want to pursue any clients for Hermits Peak, and it should be removed from all marketing.
On this site https://wildfirelitigationgroup.com, it lists all the wildfire litigation. I understand that you've explained that, however, the About Us page only mentions the Texas Panhandle fires. Shouldn't that be consistent?
The Panhandle fire landing pages... We don't think the picture of the couple used is very representative of a typical resident of the Texas panhandle.
@Patsy Miller we will be removing hermits peak.
On this site https://wildfirelitigationgroup.com, it lists all the wildfire litigation. I understand that you've explained that, however, the About Us page only mentions the Texas Panhandle fires. Shouldn't that be consistent? We will correct/edit
The Panhandle fire landing pages... We don't think the picture of the couple used is very representative of a typical resident of the Texas panhandle. What do they want us to use?
@Cameron Rentch Rob says “As for the picture, 81% of the residents of that area are white (non-Hispanic). It just seems to make sense to me to reflect that in the picture. “
@Cameron Rentch How’s the integration coming along for Wagstaff/AWD? Carter is asking for an update.
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Good morning. Here's the retainer packet and criteria/intake questions for Breit Biniazan (BB) - Cumberland Hospital abuse campaign. I'm still missing the email distribution list as well as the language we need to use when the claimant is disqualified (setting their expectations for the possibility of being a witness). I will share that as soon as I have it.
The wire was sent yesterday, so we should get a notice of payment from Brian today.
Let me know if you have questions.
@Cameron Rentch Do you have ad creatives for Watts to review? They are very eager to get these campaigns rolling. @Andy Rogers
@Patsy Miller I have sent you everything please be clear about exactly what you are missing or need
I need the ads that will be running that click through to these landing pages. Did you send that and I somehow missed it? @Cameron Rentch
@Patsy Miller these are updated Full Sites/Landing Pages https://wildfirelitigationgroup.com/ https://wildfirelitigationgroup.com/lahaina-maui-wildfires-cases/ https://wildfirelitigationgroup.com/texas-panhandle-wildfires-cases/ https://wildfirejusticegroup.com/
I have sent you update videos search above. Posting some updated images.
@Cameron Rentch Thanks so much. It was these images they were looking for still.
@Cameron Rentch Where do we stand with the launch of Hardison/BG Illinois Juv Hall? I need to let him know we received his wire and set his expectations on a launch date.
@Cameron Rentch These images read "Did you Suffered losses". Please have that corrected as soon as possible and resend them so I can get approvals.
@Cameron Rentch I have not seen a video script for Maui...only for Texas. Can you please share the ad script for Maui so I can also get it approved?
Here is the Animated Video with script and animation updates. https://f.io/4d97EJDx, If the law firm is good with the animated version I can cut it down a bit for the TikTok version Here is the latest script for regular actor that wrote based on the notes given. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ECjz4nVhn-BSKXHarNRsi5zSZEto5FoJcUNROYtKd9w/edit
PLEASE HAVE BOTH APPROVED. @Patsy Miller ^
@Cameron Rentch is there a script for the Maui fire? They already have this Texas script.
@Cameron Rentch Here is some of the feedback on the Texas fire…
There are also suggestions in the google doc.
@Cameron Rentch Rob and Cheney are asking for an update on the creative. Have we made the suggested modifications?
@Cameron Rentch Do you have a script yet for a Maui video?
@Cameron Rentch @Patsy Miller I totally understand your frustration as they are blowing you up. Cameron has been pulled a million different ways the past two days. That said, I have dinner with Cameron tonight, just the two of us, and I will make sure he and I connect on this account and get you some answers.
@Andy Rogers Thanks so much. They are also asking for the test intake for Panhandle fire. So far they have only seen the Maui test intake.
I also need to get creative to Lee for the BB Cumberland campaign...so she can review and approve.
Please also confirm Cochran launched today and when can we expect Hardison to launch?
@Cameron Rentch It's my understanding this image is not pointing to the correct island.
@Patsy Miller note, Hardison IL, Cochoran AFFF are ready and tested. We dont start any new campaign until after memorial day, we pull traffic down heavily due to low conversion rates.
@Cameron Rentch Good morning. Where do we stand with the revisions on the Watts creative and landing pages? They are eager to get things rolling.
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers I hate to keep bothering you with this, but everyone involved in the Watts opportunity is frustrated with the lack of response. They have given us feedback on the creative/landers and we have not made the suggested changes. I'm afraid we will lose this business before we even get things rolling.
We got his wire five weeks ago and we still have not provided them with the final landers/creative so they can give us their approval.
You were both copied on the email from Cheney this morning. I have an email ready to send them, but the changes have not been made and I do not have the modified creatives to share with them. How should I set their expectations?
@Patsy Miller I am equally as frustrated, they are impossible to deal with and this entire process has been completely unorganized. I will deal directly with them. This is ALL on them and their lack of review, response and direction.
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Here’s all the final details for the BB Cumberland campaign:
Dawn Campbell needs to receive the signed retainer packets: dawn@bbtrial.com as well as patsy@shield-legal.com
For those DQ’ed, please let them know that because of the way the law works in Virginia (extended SOL only applies to sexual assault claims) we understand that many former patients are foreclosed from bringing claims to court. However, we understand that many former patients want to help other former patients. If they would like to speak with someone in our office, we would be more than happy to arrange a time to discuss.
We should stay clear of using the doctors names in the ads and landing pages.
We need to target NC for this first test campaign.
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers I had a good call with Rob today about the Watts campaigns. I took 100% of the responsibility for the delays. I reminded them I’m only 90 days in and while I thought I was getting the information they gave me to the appropriate people, somehow I must have missed something.
I told them they were in good hands with Cameron and he is committed to getting them what they still need later today.
I believe I bought us a little more time, but I also think we need to follow through with our commitments to getting them the remaining corrected creatives/landers by this evening.
@Cameron Rentch Where do we stand with the AWD/Wagstaff integration? Carter is asking for an update.
@Cameron Rentch @Patsy Miller I have already responded to Carter. He is now aware we are waiting on answer from Hillel.
Patsy in the future please tag me on these types of messages. Thank you
@Patsy Miller @Andy Rogers I need precise criteria and intake questionnaire from this firm for the campaign and swers to these questions:
- What state are we targeting?
- what are the names facilities (exact names) that we are targeting
- Are there any relevant news articles about any reported abuse that we can reference?
- What is the precise exact current age a claimant can be for us to sign up the claimant
- Please provide attorneys name for any escalations and a phone number
- please provide intake questionnaire Here’s all the final details for the BB Cumberland campaign:
Dawn Campbell needs to receive the signed retainer packets: dawn@bbtrial.com as well as patsy@shield-legal.com
For those DQ’ed, please let them know that because of the way the law works in Virginia (extended SOL only applies to sexual assault claims) we understand that many former patients are foreclosed from bringing claims to court. However, we understand that many former patients want to help other former patients. If they would like to speak with someone in our office, we would be more than happy to arrange a time to discuss.
We should stay clear of using the doctors names in the ads and landing pages.
We need to target NC for this first test campaign.
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Campaign Criteria:
● PNC is not represented by another attorney ● PNC was admitted to Cumberland Hospital ○ If girl: PNC was sexually abused at Cumberland Hospital by Dr. Davidow and/or Dr. Harden ○ If boy: physically or sexually abused at Cumberland Hospital ■ Only severe physical abuse (i.e., requiring medical attention) will qualify. ● Must be able to provide the name and/or detailed description of the abuser ● Abuse must have been sexual ○ Skin-to-skin contact ○ Touching intimate areas with or without gloves ■ NOTE: Gloves should ALWAYS be worn when a medical professional is performing an examination ○ Penetration of a sexual nature ★ There is no SOL or age requirement for this campaign ★ When in doubt about if abuse qualifies, send for review
Disqualify if:
● PNC is already represented ● Abuse was not sexual (girls only) ● PNC was not abused at Cumberland Hospital ● PNC cannot provide a detailed description of the abuser
please clarify:
- Abuse must have occurred while 17 years of age or under
- DQ if a girl and not sexual abuse, but physical abuse ONLY is acceptable for boys?
- Is this Cumberland Hospital in North Carolina or Virginia? (You list targeting NC for first campaign but reference Virginia SOL)
- What state are we targeting? North Carolina for this test campaign
- what are the names facilities (exact names) that we are targeting? Cumberland Hospital for Children and Adolescents
Are there any relevant news articles about any reported abuse that we can reference? https://www.medpagetoday.com/pediatrics/generalpediatrics/109789 https://www.bbtrial.com/cumberland-abuse/ https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/davidow-trial-day-3-apr-24-2024 https://richmond.com/news/state-regional/crime-courts/new-kent-tria-daniel-davidow-cumberland-hospital-children-adolescents/article_f3f278ee-017e-11ef-a288-4797f05c0e4d.html https://www.bbtrial.com/blog/legal-team-for-39-plaintiffs-suing-dr-davidow-and-cumberland-childrens-hospital-releases-statement-on-new-investigative-report/
Please provide attorneys name for any escalations and a phone number: Dawn Campbell at
@Cameron Rentch
- Abuse must have occurred while 17 years of age or under. Correct.
- DQ if a girl and not sexual abuse, but physical abuse ONLY is acceptable for boys? a. This is because they will not accept a physical abuse case (no sex abuse) for girls. If the abuse is ONLY physical and not sexual, it must be a male claimant
- Is this Cumberland Hospital in North Carolina or Virginia? (You list targeting NC for first campaign but reference Virginia SOL) a. The hospital is located in Virginia. They market to other state facilities, third party payers and such like Medicaid, Blue Cross, etc. to get patients. They have done extensive marketing in the state of North Carolina, so there are a lot of victims that came from North Carolina to the hospital in VA for treatment. There is "almost" no SOL to consider. The firm is sending me the details on a small slice of claimants that won't qualify. I will share those details as soon as I have them.
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Just a quick reminder. BB would like to review/approve the creative.
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers IMPORTANT note for BB Cumberland: We should DQ any sexual abuse client that turned 20 on or before March 26, 2011. (this is the "small slice of claimants that won't qualify" that I mentioned above"
@Patsy Miller @Andy Rogers please forward the attached landing pages and ads for review. Note these are ONLY example ads, and we have many variations. The law firm name will be listed in all ad text in the creatives. I have also listed a couple of example landing pages, again, we have many but the content and theme's are very similar. The law firms name is listed on the bottom in the disclaimer language.
We should have test intake ready and sent for review and approval tomorrow so we can launch asap.
https://shieldjusticewatch.com/cumberland-hospital-abuse-cases https://shieldjusticeteam.com/cumberland-hospital-abuse-claims
@Cameron Rentch I will get this to the firm. Thanks.
@Cameron Rentch The landing pages mention the hospital is in North Carolina. That needs to be changed to Virginia.
We are targeting NC with the campaign, but the hospital is not located in that state. @Andy Rogers
@Cameron Rentch Lee is asking for a Word version of the landing page content so she can edit the description of the case. Do you mind providing documents I can share with her so she can make suggestions?
@Andy Rogers
@Patsy Miller you told us to target NC? Please have clear communcication...this makes no sense
the criteria even reads the person must have been abised at the hospital in North carolina?
@Patsy Miller this process is not working for me. Please circulate an email introduced me to the firm. I’m going to handle it directly myself. Thank you.
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Where do we stand with BB Cumberland? She asked for Word versions of the landing pages so she could make edits. Cameron, you asked me to add you to an email with her and I did. I haven’t seen anything since then and just want to make sure we are making progress.
@Cameron Rentch I believe the last message I got from you about Hardison was that it would launch after the holiday. I haven’t seen any signed retainers yet, so I’m circling back. Is that campaign active? If so, is there typically a slight delay before seeing signed retainers on the IL Juv Hall campaign? @Andy Rogers ^
It is active @Patsy Miller @Andy Rogers traffic always slower coming off of holiday wknd
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers I got a text from Lee Floyd and she is very eager to get the Cumberland campaign launched. If we simply make the change from NC to VA, she will not worry with making content changes like she originally requested. Time is of the essence.
She is agreeable to whatever states you recommended, Cameron.
I am getting my answers before moving forward. I replied with an email. Please let me get all confirmation and answers. Then we can move forward quickly.
And she didn’t agree to any states, she said completely different states that I recommended. I replied. I will handle the communications and copy you. Thanks
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Where do we stand with the AWD/Wagstaff integration? Carter is asking me for an update and is very eager to get this launched.
@Patsy Miller HIllel and team are finishing the integration
@Cameron Rentch @Patsy Miller I just got off a call from Dwight. He called to update me.
As of now we are 95%. Everything is going over fine except for one document. I don’t know the technical reasons as to why but Wagstaff Law Ruler is not accepting a CSV document.
Dwight is working with Nick now and says he hopes to get this completed tonight
I am on the emails string with integration team following it
@Patsy Miller @Cameron Rentch ALERT ALERT: Please make the following changes and then LAUNCH Cumberland Test
• Need to replace “united health systems” with Universal Health Services through out.
• Running in VA, DC, MD, NC, SC, TN and GA
Once you make those changes start the campaign
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Also, please confirm we are not running the campaign in Florida. Lee did not approve Florida.
I already replied we are not running in florida
above change is completed and we are launching
@Patsy Miller @Cameron Rentch Patsy, I have been trying to reach you this morning about Watts. Please call me as soon as you are free. Cam has shared some info with me that I would like to discuss with you
@Patsy Miller please call Andy at your earliest convenience.
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers $50k FELA Lung Cancer Test Campaign for NS PR Law Services, LLC d.b.a. Napoli Shkolnik PLLC Invoice goes to: NS PR Law Services 1302 Avenue Ponce de Leon San Juan, Puerto Rico 00907 Maria Hayashi: mhayashi@napolilaw.com (I will request the invoice through INVOICING channel.)
Integration: I confirmed with Dwight that we already have an API set up with Napoli. The firm gave me the following information so we can get this campaign set up and tested quickly.
Lead Source ID: 358 Campaign Code: FEL
They would like to get the integration completed and tested prior to launch.
Distribution List: They would like integration, but also email delivery of signed retainers. Patrick Haines: phaines@napolilaw.com Heather Cherry: hcherry@napolilaw.com Kassy Snyder: ksnyder@napolilaw.com Maria Hayashi: mhayashi@napolilaw.com Patsy@shield-legal.com
Dashboard Access: napolishkolnikmarketing@gmail.com pnhlaw@gmail.com
Weekly Reports: Maria Hayashi: mhayashi@napolilaw.com Paul Napoli: pnapoli@nsprlaw.com Patrick Haines: phaines@napolilaw.com
FELA Lung Cancer Criteria:
- Diagnosis by biopsy of lung cancer or Leukemia (AML cell type) within the last 3 years
- Employed directly for railroad for 15 years or more prior to 1990.
- Worked for the railroad in a skilled trade such as: ◦ Track layer ◦ Engine man ◦ Engineer ◦ Conductor ◦ Mechanic ◦ Signalman ◦ Switchman ◦ Electrician ◦ Yard master ◦ Fireman ◦ Brakeman ◦ Carman ◦ Other skilled trade working for the railroad
- Deceased cases must have names of living Railroad coworkers who worked with directly with the Deceased at the Railroad (these are rare)
- Mesothelioma sign up any you see with diagnosis or death in the last 3 years (and potentially transfer these calls)
- No colon cancer or throat cancer or asbestosis
- Exposure in continental US.
- Be wary of people with prior lawsuits against RR for personal injury. Lots of very broad waivers out there. I will provide the retainer packet when I get it.
@Patsy Miller we do not have an integration live with Napoli for this. Every api is unique. Please refrain from engaging with integrations team. I have them very focused and this is not how we operate.
@Patsy Miller also just a reminder do not engage with any of the Marketing staff with Shield. Do not ask anybody to set up verticals landing pages websites or anything related intake that is not your job and it interferes with processes we have in place priorities and higher level communications. Everything must go through me, the staff knows and will not engage with you. Moving forward. If you go directly to them this is nothing personal. It’s just the way we operate.
@Cameron Rentch I don’t even know who is in marketing or what you are referring to. I have never asked anyone to set up landing pages. Can you please clarify?
Nothing to worry about @Patsy Miller good job on this sale
@Cameron Rentch We are working on a possible “sextortion” campaign targeting Roblox players (mostly minors) that have been approached/lured by predators that offered monetary gifts/gaming perks and solicited sexually explicit photos. These photos were then used for extortion and a lot of these children end up meeting the predators and being sexually assaulted. The firm asked if we have or if we can run ads on Discord. Do we have experience with marketing on that platform? @Andy Rogers ^
Actually they do have a minimal/basic ad platform now.
Not a big deal. We are working on something, I’ll get you more details on what they want to target shortly and we can go from there. Thanks
@Andy Rogers @Patsy Miller fyi we are live on Paraquat for AWD/Wagstaff. Also, we are starting to get leads on Cumberland.
@Cameron Rentch We received the criteria from Melissa at Joel Bieber Firm for this sextortion campaign and you will find it below.
They are asking us what budget is required for a test campaign.
They also want to know if we would recommend targeted just Roblox players (as the criteria suggests) or if we believe it would be more beneficial to target other games as well.
Victim is a Minor or was a minor at the time of the extortion and the SOL is still good; AND
Victim Has or had their own Video game account on the platform where the sextortion occurred (cannot be a situation where they were using someone else’s Account); AND
Victim still has access to their account or it has been preserved; AND
Victim met adult perpetrator on Roblox; AND
Adult solicited the minor to send sexual images; OR
Adult sent the minor sexual images; OR
Adult coerced minor into meeting in person and sexually assaulted the minor; AND
There must have been some type of communication/chat on a Roblox game that involved sexualized messages, images, or an offer of money, gift card, robux to do something that then lead to an exchange of sexual images or an in-person meeting resulting in sexual assault OR coerced the minor to move to another platform in exchange for something of monetary value.
Please advise. Thanks so much. @Andy Rogers ^
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers $50k MARITIME Lung Cancer Test Campaign for NS PR Law Services, LLC d.b.a. Napoli Shkolnik PLLC Invoice goes to: NS PR Law Services 1302 Avenue Ponce de Leon San Juan, Puerto Rico 00907 Maria Hayashi: mhayashi@napolilaw.com (I will request the invoice through INVOICING channel.)
Integration: The firm gave me the following information so we can get this campaign integration set up and tested quickly. They use a proprietary DB in Access.
Lead Source ID: 358 Campaign Code: VSL
They would like to get the integration completed and tested prior to launch.
Distribution List: They would like integration, but also email delivery of signed retainers. Patrick Haines: phaines@napolilaw.com Heather Cherry: hcherry@napolilaw.com Kassy Snyder: ksnyder@napolilaw.com Maria Hayashi: mhayashi@napolilaw.com Patsy@shield-legal.com
Dashboard Access: napolishkolnikmarketing@gmail.com pnhlaw@gmail.com
Weekly Reports: Maria Hayashi: mhayashi@napolilaw.com Paul Napoli: pnapoli@nsprlaw.com Patrick Haines: phaines@napolilaw.com
MARITIME Lung Cancer Criteria:
- Diagnosis by biopsy of lung cancer or Leukemia (AML cell type) within the last 3 years
- Employed directly for shipping company/barge/cargo ship/tug boat for 15 years or more prior to 1990.
- Worked on a ship/barge/tug boat/container ship (shipyard does not qualify)
- Deceased cases must have names of living coworkers who worked with directly with the Deceased (these are rare)
- Mesothelioma sign up any you see with diagnosis or death in the last 3 years (and potentially transfer these calls)
I will provide the retainer packet when I get it.
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers I don’t think I’ve gotten a response about this potential Sextortion campaign.
I received the criteria from Melissa at Joel Bieber Firm for this sextortion campaign and you will find it below.
They are asking us what budget is required for a test campaign.
They also want to know if we would recommend targeted just Roblox players (as the criteria suggests) or if we believe it would be more beneficial to target other games as well.
Victim is a Minor or was a minor at the time of the extortion and the SOL is still good; AND
Victim Has or had their own Video game account on the platform where the sextortion occurred (cannot be a situation where they were using someone else’s Account); AND
Victim still has access to their account or it has been preserved; AND
Victim met adult perpetrator on Roblox; AND
Adult solicited the minor to send sexual images; OR
Adult sent the minor sexual images; OR
Adult coerced minor into meeting in person and sexually assaulted the minor; AND
There must have been some type of communication/chat on a Roblox game that involved sexualized messages, images, or an offer of money, gift card, robux to do something that then lead to an exchange of sexual images or an in-person meeting resulting in sexual assault OR coerced the minor to move to another platform in exchange for something of monetary value.
Please advise. Thanks so much. @Andy Rogers ^
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Did we send a test packet for review on AWD/Wagstaff? Carter is asking.
@Patsy Miller we send test package with Hillel all was approved.
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers I have a potential new opportunity and I need to know what budget to set for a test campaign...but the firm is also curious about our media strategy. Would we primarily focus on social media?
The campaign would start with a focus solely on Texas. If it goes well, they could expand and would even consider a national campaign.
Funeral Home and Cemetery Negligence • Wrongful cremation – cremated wrongly or not cremated • Wrongful burial – buried instead of being cremated • Funeral / Gravesite Theft • Missing remains • Improper embalming • Body parts sold illegally • Burial location errors – wrong plat/gravesite • Body misplacement or lost body • Cremation remains delivered to the wrong person • Funeral misidentification - wrong body or gravesite Please advise.
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers I realize the Cumberland campaign is still very new and we haven't seen any signed retainers yet. I'd like to confirm a few things.
- We are supposed to DQ if the PNC is a girl and there's no sexual abuse, with ONLY physical abuse. Claims that are ONLY physical abuse must be male claimants. Can someone confirm this is a part of the criteria?
- Also, when in doubt about if the abuse qualifies, we are supposed to send the intake to the firm for review. Can someone confirm this is also a part of the criteria/intake process?
- Are we seeing a higher volume of leads now? Are you expecting to start seeing signed retainers?
@Patsy Miller for Nursing home campaigns we really need to focus in on specific facilities that have known abuse that we can reference and target the facilities directly. "general" nursing home campaign do not perform well and typically we steer clear of them on a state x state basis. If they can provide us with the specific names of the facilities we can look at this. 50-100K testing budget would be best.
On Cumberland we are getting leads, but have not seen any claimants that would qualify under any of the above paramaters. The team is aware of all above and criteria is confirmed.
@Cameron Rentch @Patsy Miller Cameron, please re-read above they are not targeting Nursing Homes it is Funeral Homes.
That said, @Patsy Miller we should get some targeted names of Funeral Homes.
Apologies, Would still suggest targeting the specific facilities, Funeral Homes and Cemetary rather than "general targeting.
@Cameron Rentch I'm talking to Michael Moreland (Clark Love Hutson) and he is telling me he and Clayton Clark are thinking about jumping into Hair Relaxer and trying to make a play for the science committee. His buddy, Jeff Kuntz, is on the science committee and telling him how strong the cases are. He's asking me for acquisition costs on "criteria the PSC/PEC is using". Do you mind providing me with a range I can share with them? @Andy Rogers ^
@Patsy Miller there are people with varying criteria on the PSC/PEC. Criteria dependent cost are 3700-5000/per
@Patsy Miller @Andy Rogers
- Napoii FELA and Maritime campaigns are ready on media side
- Have we been paid?
- I need Intake documents, retainers, hippa and distro (API is 10-14 days lag at the juncture, we can not start until we have the actual API documentation for these specific campaigns (please send directly to me) thank you
- We will start manual delivery and back fill api when ready
@Cameron Rentch We have not received the wire yet. I just had them sent again directly to Paul. I do not yet have the retainer packets but I will get them to you as soon as I have them.
As for the API, the firm told me we already have an API set up for different campaigns and it should be as easy as changing the Lead Source ID and Campaign Code (both are listed above for each campaign). Is that not the case? @Andy Rogers ^
@Cameron Rentch The distribution lists are also listed above.
@Patsy Miller no it is not that easy. Please email me with whomever you are speaking with on API's. Are you talkng with Alfredo there?
No. I'm talking to the attorneys and their marketing director.
email and intro me please to whomever you are speaking with on the API's. Alfredo normally handles that over there, so ask them first. Just put me in dorect contact with whomever
@Cameron Rentch Hair Relaxer criteria: • Must have used and be able to identify one or more hair relaxer product (no Revlon only claims) • Must have used the product 4 or more times per year • Must have been diagnosed with Uterine Cancer, Endometrial Cancer or Ovarian Cancer • Must have been diagnosed in 2010 or later • Must have been diagnosed before the age of 45 • Apply SOL by state on death cases ◦ Must have strong corroborating witness regarding product usage on death cases • Must not be represented by an attorney for this matter Please let me know what to expect as far as acquisition cost for the above criteria. @Andy Rogers
@Patsy Miller 3900-4300/per. Current campaigns take women diagnosed 55 or under
If I talk him into 55 or under how will the affect the cost? @Cameron Rentch
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Napoli is putting a hold on the launch of FELA and Maritime. Nothing went wrong. They just need to get some “pieces lined up” on their end before they can launch.
@Andy Rogers @Patsy Miller moving forward, we will not be doing any work, any development or any API work until law firms remit payment. We are spending too much time and money on projects that are either getting delayed or fall through for variety of reasons.
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Can you please give me some sort of update on the Cumberland campaign? I need to give them an update since it's been active over a week and we haven't seen any signed retainers. I don't want to leave her in the dark. At this point, anything will help. Thanks.
@Patsy Miller we sent a potential claimant for review this morning. Attached are leads collected to date, that we are currently in process of reaching. We are being mindful of the spend as leads as fairly expensive out of the gate. We have spend approx 10K to date.
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers I still haven’t seen any signed retainers on the Cumberland campaign. Can someone please give me an update?
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Can I please get another update on the Cumberland campaign? I still haven’t seen any signed retainers. Thanks.
@Patsy Miller there is nothing to update. I sent a comprehensive update earlier in the week and we will send another after new creatives and campaigns go live next week.
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Maybe this will help. Last week the Senate held a hearing and dropped this bombshell report on Residential Treatment Facilities (RTFs) which includes some BB clients and has multiple references to Universal Health Services/Cumberland. Maybe you can somehow piggyback off this information.
Here are a few quotes from the report that might be of interest: Public reporting of sexual abuse at multiple UHS facilities shows instances of staff initiating– and sustaining– sexual contact with children post-discharge. At Cumberland Children’s Hospital (UHS; Virginia), a psychotherapist, was charged and indicted on “two counts of object sexual penetration by force.”
A staffer at Cumberland Hospital (UHS; Virginia) poured hot water on a child, leading to second-and third-degree burns. A Cumberland Hospital (UHS; Virginia) staffer, who pled no contest, was sentenced to one year in jail for a felony wounding charge based on evidence of a 2019 incident in which she “pour[ed] scalding water on” a non-verbal 16-year-old with developmental disabilities because she had struggled to get him to sleep.
You can read the report here: https://www.finance.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/rtf_report_warehouses_of_neglect.pdf
There's also a news report on it here: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/residential-treatment-centers-senate-report-rcna155177
I will incorporate into ads and landing pages.
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers While I hate to keep asking for updates on Cumberland, I’m getting questions and I need to give them some feedback. I think it’s been about a week since we told them we were launching new creative. Has it launched? Are we seeing any leads? Have we had any success with the pending leads? Anything will help at this point.
@Patsy Miller
We updated the landing pages with the content you provided and incorporated into the new ad creatives. I’ve added two of them here so you can view and see that we are on point and being proactive but careful with spend. . We just re-launched Monday. Not much traction yet, but we are systematically testing in NC and other approved states to see if we can any fresh traction.
Of note, I gave @Andy Rogers some great alternatives for sex abuse that we should float out at alternatives.
We won’t know analysis from new creatives until end of week, late Friday.
Updated creatives:
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Good morning. Can I please get an update on the Walsh Ozempic campaign (Walsh ONLY)? We've got a call with them this afternoon and they want to know why it's been eight weeks since they've seen a signed retainer on their own campaign...but they have seen several retainers in that time frame from their co-counsel campaigns. I just need to know what to tell them after all this time since they have been sitting with a balance of something like $18k for so many weeks. Please advise.
@Cameron Rentch @Patsy Miller Hi Patsy I sent you a separate message on this.
Long story short is that the reason others might still be getting some signatures is because we are still going through leads in the account.
When Walsh changed the criteria we had a lot in there file that she essentially made worthless.
@Patsy Miller we are relaunching ozempic next week, still working already collected leads but her criteria change resulting in a ton of rejected claimants. We have to reoptimize the pixels and ad creative to align with criteria. Back up next week after Holiday
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Morning! I'm working on closing an NEC campaign and I need help with pricing. They are looking for death or surgical cases only. They know it will be expensive, but they are only after these high value cases. NEC Criteria: • Infant must have been born prematurely (24-37 weeks gestation) • Infant must have weighed 6.5 pounds or less at birth • Infant must have stayed in the NICU • Infant must have been diagnosed with NEC • Infant must have been fed cow's milk based formula or fortifier before being diagnosed with NEC • Infant must have suffered one of the following ◦ Intestinal perforation requiring surgery ◦ Removal of a portion of the intestines ◦ Intestinal or Digestive surgery ◦ Death • Infant's DOB must be in 2014 or later • Must not be represented by an attorney for this matter
@Patsy Miller tbh we don’t have a way to price it. I would suggest a 100k test.
Our latest campaign was diagnosed NEC 2006 or after and was 6500-7000/per.
The 2014 or after is going to make it even tougher.
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers I just want to make sure to relay to both of you that I confirmed with Jonathan at ELG that the Ibrahim retainer and intake packet are correct. I noticed there are three firm names on one of the documents and questioned it. He told me that was correct as those are local counsel plaintiff and defense firms that need to be referenced.
I don’t think Malissa sent you the actual retainer the first time, so that might also have caused some confusion.
@Patsy Miller we do no need their intake packet. We have standard ELG intake that we use on ALL ELG campaigns. We only need the retainer doc and hippa on their campaigns. thanks
Understood. I asked him for the retainer and that’s what he sent me. @Cameron Rentch ^
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Do we have any experience with Spinal Cord Stimulator campaigns?
@Patsy Miller just depends on the specific product
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Just a heads up. I’m awaiting a wire from Joel Bieber Firm for this new campaign (they have had problems getting the wire to us) but wanted to make sure you have this criteria:
The Joel Bieber Firm
Video Gaming Sextortion Criteria:
· Victim is a Minor or was a minor at the time of the sextortion; AND · The SOL is not expired; AND · Victim Has or had their own Video game account on the platform where the sextortion occurred (cannot be a situation where they were using someone else’s Account); AND o Video game account must be on Roblox, Minecraft or Fortnite · Victim still has access to their account, or it has been preserved; AND o Video game account must be on Roblox, Minecraft or Fortnite · Victim met adult perpetrator on the video game platform; AND o Video game platform must be Roblox, Minecraft or Fortnite · Adult solicited the minor to send sexual images; OR · Adult sent the minor sexual images; OR · Adult coerced minor into meeting in person and sexually assaulted the minor; AND · There must have been some type of communication/chat on the video game platform that involved sexualized messages, images, or an offer of money, gift card, or robux to do something that then lead to an exchange of sexual images, or an in-person meeting resulting in sexual assault OR coerced the minor to move to another platform in exchange for something of monetary value. o Video game platform must be Roblox, Minecraft or Fortnite
I will send all the campaign details through Melissa after we receive the wire.
@Cameron Rentch Can you please provide me with asbestos ad examples? Eric Holland's firm is asking for samples. @Andy Rogers ^
We need an NDA and typically don’t provide any of these unless we are already working with the firm.
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Do we have any recent experience with Bair Hugger?
@here I have a call scheduled tomorrow to discuss AFFF, NEC and Bair Hugger. Will someone please let me know if I can sell Bair Hugger? Do we have experience with this tort?
@Patsy Miller we have run Bair hugger. We have had success but have not run for 6+ months. Need criteria in order to give ranges.
Thanks. Just making sure I can sell it. I understand I need to get criteria.
@here I need to get pricing to Tobi at Kline & Specter for PFAS...kidney and testicular only. Can we do that?
@Cameron Rentch @Patsy Miller sorry Patsy but we are not doing Kidney and Testicular cancer only. It’s just too expensive
@here What is the current cost for top six injuries on PFAS?
@Patsy Miller need exact criteria forwarded.
Understood. I thought PFAS top six was pretty standard criteria. Nevertheless, I always ask for criteria.
Are we actively running hair relaxer? @here
yes we are running hair relaxer, again, all criteria dependent
@Patsy Miller for the Bieber video game campaign. They have listed in criteria “SOL” not expired.
We need a state by state SOL guide. It need to be clear as example
State. Incident occured Al Last 12 months CA. Last 3 years
Etc etc
I need for every state. We do Not have these lists nor make assumptions and require the law firm to provide so that intake does not make mistakes.
Thank you
@Andy Rogers @Patsy Miller
two reaplcement requests for ELG Ibra campaign Dual rep = approved Latecy = not approved (ELG IS accepting this and @Andy Rogers will confirm)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oUlO_4bQ5rEQZwHoo4tHNiSlVrWXHP0MKI2a2Hwtbs8/edit?usp=sharing
@Cameron Rentch I'm in the process of closing Vogelzang on an Asbestos test campaign with a test budget of $100k. I have explained to him that we will need to discuss renewal while the campaign is still active...at about 60%. He is asking me how long it will take to reach 60%. Can you please give me an idea of how quickly we will blow through his budget so I can set his expectations appropriately?
@Cameron Rentch @Andy Rogers Any idea how long it will take to clear 60% of his $100k test budget? ^
Lung Cancer and Mesothelioma diagnosed in the last 3 years. $5500 @Cameron Rentch
(I was under the impression that was all we could sell.)
@Patsy Miller probably 2 days, it is only 18 total contracts. We average 10/day
Will Vogelzang be the ONLY asbestos campaign?
@Cameron Rentch Is it possible to clear the budget slower than that until they feel comfortable enough to move at a faster pace?
@Patsy Miller all other campaigns are off at the moment, so it is not likely we can move any slower than a week. The economics of the media buying dont support it.
@Cameron Rentch Happy to see you know Jess Pride and you had a chance to speak with her yesterday. I'm assuming you completed the NDA process, since she shared those details with us. Did you discuss a test budget? Just want to make sure I'm up to speed. Please let me know if I can jump back in to help get things rolling.
*Thread Reply:* @Patsy Miller @Andy Rogers yes I’ve know her for some time. Have some a few targeted campaing w her. Haven’t signed anything yet but all good - we have trust. Anyways, I didn’t discuss any budget not trying to get in the way. Probably start with 50k and see how it goes.
@Cameron Rentch Please provide me with estimated acquisition cost range for a Toxic Baby Food campaign using the following criteria:
Qualifying Use, Product ID • Child consistently consumed any of the following identified brands for at least six months of exposure before detection of symptoms (See, Ex. A for products). o Beech-Nut Nutrition Company o Gerber Products Company o Hain Celestial Group, Inc. (Earth’s Best Organic) o Nurture, Inc. (Happy Family Organics – HappyBABY) o Plum, PBC dba Plum Organics o Sprout Foods, Inc (Sprout Organic Foods) o Walmart, Inc. (Parent’s Choice) • Confirmed medical diagnosis of Autism (ASD). • Child must be born in 2009 or later. • No cases from Connecticut or Indiana. • No family history of ASD or ADHD diagnosis or immediate family history of severe mental health conditions like schizophrenia, bi-polar disorder. • Diagnosed with ASD before age 10. • No parents aged 45 and over at the time of conception. • No preterm birth of diagnosed child (before the 37th week of pregnancy) • Child (or parent on child’s behalf) has not retained counsel in litigation related to the link between ASD and Tylenol (acetaminophen) • Child birth weight cannot be less than 5.5. lbs.
Disqualify if child diagnosed with or experienced one or more of the following before diagnosis: • Disqualifying Conditions o Rett Syndrome o Fragile X Syndrome o Angelman Syndrome o Charge Syndrome o Cohen Syndrome o Cornelia De Lange Syndrome o Down Syndrome o Neurofibromatosis o PTEN Hamartoma Tumor Syndrome o Smith-Lemli-Opitz Syndrome o Timothy Syndrome o Tuberous Sclerosis o Tardive Dyskinesia o Coffin-Lowry Syndrome o Sotos Syndrome o Landau-Kleffner Syndrome o Prader-Willi Syndrome o Cohen Laurence-Moon-Biedel Syndrome o Marinesco-Sjogren Syndrome o Moebius Syndrome o Williams Syndrome • Severe viral infection • Major brain injuries (traumatic brain injury) suffered by child • Heavy pesticide exposure prior to diagnosis • Lead poisoning prior to diagnosis
Disqualify if mother experienced one or more of the following during pregnancy: • Smoking/drinking/illicit drug use • Use of anti-seizure/anti-convulsant medications • Use of thalidomide • Diabetes while pregnant (including gestational diabetes) • Excessive or abnormal bleeding • Severe complications including umbilical cord wrapped around child's neck • Threatened abortion (Defined as: pregnancy-related bloody vaginal discharge or frank bleeding during the first half of pregnancy (<20 weeks gestation) without cervical dilatation.) • Premature membrane rupture • Maternal hemorrhage • Maternal toxemia/pre-eclampsia • Rubella or Cytomegalovirus infection • Child respiratory distress or no breathing after birth • Birth injuries or trauma • Umbilical cord prolapse • Antepartum hemorrhage (genital bleeding that occurs after 20 weeks of pregnancy and before delivery
@Patsy Miller @Andy Rogers we have not run this campaign in over a year. Will need to retest but decent criteria. Target/estimated range for criteria is 1000-1300/per. Likely will be lower but until tested we won’t know.
@Cameron Rentch I've got two calls today about NEC. Can we produce big volume on NEC? Do you feel solid about a$5400-$5600 acquisition cost with the same criteria we are using for AWKO? @Andy Rogers
@Patsy Miller @Andy Rogers generally yes, however, we are going to see prices go up due to competition and upcoming election. Please preface and prepare firms for this in advance.
@here Do you both want to/need to be on the call with Jess Pride, or should I just take it from here to work out the details of the test campaign?
@Patsy Miller You can get the campaign details please keep it brief. I need to set a separate conference call that only involves intake and the VSS team with Jessica. Nobody else needs to be on that call. Thank you.
@here Nachawati is interested in Rideshare. Are we open to testing it out again, or should I just tell him we are no longer running rideshare campaigns?
They are problematic/challenging to work with from what I have heard?
@here Even Pieffer Wolf asked about it yesterday. I told them we aren't running it. I just wanted to make sure...since I've been asked about it two days in a row.
In my discussion with AWD ceo last week, said they are getting a slow trickle, 20-25% fallout averaging 6k per. Should make everyone "nervous" that people are asking which means they arent getting any good quality or volume right now.
@here Just to be clear, have we ever run a Rideshare campaign? Majed keeps asking questions I can't answer. If we ran in the past, what was the acquisition cost? Any idea what the fallout rate was...and what the cost would have been after fallout?
yes @Patsy Miller we have - the prior numbers are not really relevant as it was over a year ago. the figures above are likely reasonable, dependent on specific criteria. Personally, I wouldn't let anyone I know spend $ there without a clear disclaimer - likely not going to be very good, no refunds, likley move funds to another campaign. Again, I have heard challenging things about Nachawati firm.
@Cameron Rentch I'm about to request an invoice for the Vogelzang Asbestos campaign. They will need integration...but will launch with email delivery of retainers and backfill via API when it's ready. Their Data Operations Engineer is asking for a "tech specialist at Shield Legal" so he can speak with someone about setting up the webhook. Who is our contact?
please send an email @Patsy Millerwith him copied, I will then send a separate into to him for Integrations team, then step out and let them all handle it. good work on asbestos deal
Will do. Thanks. I'm just going to reply to his email and copy you. That way you have all the contacts he is copying too.
@Patsy Miller @Andy Rogers for the Sextortion campaign, please provide:
All states where cases are accepted States accepted SOL guidlines
@Cameron Rentch I'm expecting that list sometime today. She promised it to me by EOD. I will send it as soon as I have it.
@Cameron Rentch This is the SOL information you need…
And the criteria has changed SLIGHTLY (second bullet):
Video Gaming Sextortion Criteria:
· Victim is a Minor or was a minor at the time of the sextortion; AND · The SOL is not expired (only for extortion cases; do not apply SOL criteria to sex abuse cases involving physical touching or cases where victim is still a minor); AND · Victim Has or had their own Video game account on the platform where the sextortion occurred (cannot be a situation where they were using someone else’s Account); AND o Video game account must be on Roblox, Minecraft or Fortnite · Victim still has access to their account, or it has been preserved; AND o Video game account must be on Roblox, Minecraft or Fortnite · Victim met adult perpetrator on the video game platform; AND o Video game platform must be Roblox, Minecraft or Fortnite · Adult solicited the minor to send sexual images; OR · Adult sent the minor sexual images; OR · Adult coerced minor into meeting in person and sexually assaulted the minor; AND · There must have been some type of communication/chat on the video game platform that involved sexualized messages, images, or an offer of money, gift card, or robux to do something that then lead to an exchange of sexual images, or an in-person meeting resulting in sexual assault OR coerced the minor to move to another platform in exchange for something of monetary value. Video game platform must be Roblox, Minecraft or Fortnite
@Patsy Miller this is helpful however, Intake will have a real challenge using this for implementation. Can you ask for a guideline that is more simplified. Since we are talking with parents and not children, we really need to know what the CAP should be of the age of the child at time of sign up. We need a hard number and cant rely on people to perform calculations. I hope this makes sense but we can not have Intake making sol related decisions. Thank you
@Cameron Rentch I'm scheduled to speak to the attorney at 3:30 central. Would you like for me to include you on that call in case you have questions?
Thanks @Patsy Miller I dont have any questions, we just need something that is clear cut and simple for Intake and doesnt require calculations.
@Cameron Rentch I spoke with Melissa and she suggested the following: Ask questions in this order:
- Was there physical touch? If YES, then NO SOL requirements.
- Is the victim currently a minor (majority will be)? If YES, then NO SOL requirements.
- Is victim currently an adult? If YES, and there's NO PHYSICAL TOUCH, that is the only time we should use the SOL requirements.
- Any victim WITH physical touch will NOT require SOL consideration. Melissa believes the SOL will only come into play with a small percentage of the claims.
She would be happy to review the intake dialogue once it's complete to make sure we are on point with the process.
@Patsy Miller this is helpful for incidents where physical touch occurred, what about cases involving sexual images sent, or sexual images requested?
IE
Adult solicited the minor to send sexual images; OR Adult sent the minor sexual images; OR Adult coerced minor into meeting in person and sexually assaulted the minor; AND
There must have been some type of communication/chat on the video game platform that involved sexualized messages, images, or an offer of money, gift card, or robux to do something that then lead to an exchange of sexual images, or an in-person meeting resulting in sexual assault OR coerced the minor to move to another platform in exchange for something of monetary value.
@Cameron Rentch SOL must be considered for : Adult solicited the minor to send sexual images; OR Adult sent the minor sexual images
If Adult coerced minor into meeting in person and sexually assaulted the minor, there's NO SOL requirement.
Does this help?
@Patsy Miller unfortunately no. We need her to "dummy proof" the SOL issues on an state by state basis. We can not have intake making calculations.
it would be like this
Adult solicited the minor to send sexual images; OR Adult sent the minor sexual images
if occurred in Alabama, the maximum age the child can be is _ if occured in Alaska, the maximum age the child can be is _
@Cameron Rentch Here you go...
State Maximum Age Alabama 22 Alaska 20 Arizona 20 Arkansas 24 California 20 Colorado 20 Connecticut 2 years from date the injury is sustained or discovered, or 3 years from the date of the act or omission complained of Delaware 21 DC 21 Florida 20 Georgia 20 Hawaii 20 Idaho 25 Illinois 20 Indiana 20 Iowa 19 Kansas 19 Kentucky 19 Louisiana 20 Maine 25 Maryland 21 Massachusetts 21 Michgan 19 Minnesota 19 Mississippi 21 Missouri 26 Montana 21 Nebraska 25 Nevada 20 New Hampshire 20 New Jersey 20 New Mexico 19 New York 21 North Carolina 21 North Dakota 19 Ohio 20 Oklahoma 19 Oregon 19 Pennsylvania 20 Rhode Island 21 South Carolina 19 South Dakota 21 Tennessee 19 Texas 20 Utah 22 Vermont 21 Virginia 20 Washington 21 West Virginia 20 Wisconsin 20 Wyoming 21
Sure hope those firms looking for Uber lift cases arent using companies that do these types of ads. Total crap affiliate ads here…
*Thread Reply:* @Cameron Rentch That is a horrible ad. Sadly, most firms wouldn’t even know they were paying for that crap.
@here Can we sell both Chowchilla and LA County to litigating firms? (no need to refer to ACTS or BG) If so, what is the current rate for each?
@Cameron Rentch @Patsy Miller Yes. The LA County is about $7,500 to $8,000 and the Chowchilla right now is around $6,000 - $6,500
Notes on both:
Secondary interviews/Fact sheets using VSS team range between 300-400/per in addition to above rates Estimated fallout rates to be expected 20-25% People should be aware of this. Budgets need to be minimal 150K to start
Lastly, per ACTS, they are opening up criteria to accept "gloved touch to genitals even during strip search".
Interesting. I'm assuming that will also help with the acquisition cost. No?
Doesnt change pricing, upcoming elections, increased competition, helps to keep at current rates
@Cameron Rentch Where do we stand with the launch of Bieber Sextortion?
@Patsy Miller intake will be completed this week and we will send a test for review. Everything else is ready to go
@Patsy Miller @Andy Rogers sextortion scheduled to go live Monday
Perfect. I will let them know. THanks so much.
my pleasure - FYI I will be "off grid" until Sat am around 10am PST
@Patsy Miller Sextortion is live. One signed out of 7 leads so far and have a contract out to another. We have to get the signed retainer, resigned as it did not format properly the first time.
@Cameron Rentch Morning. Is there a "date of first exposure" requirement for Asbestos? I've seen firms ask "Were you exposed to asbestos BEFORE December 31, 1982?". Do we ask something like that? I'm trying to close a deal and they asked about this.
No there is not. It’s very straightforward criteria. We ran for over 2 years with BG and it has never been an issue whatsoever.
@here I just had a call with the Bieber Firm and they are very happy with the volume and case quality so far. They didn't expect the results to come so fast. There is one that didn't meet criteria and she will be forwarding it shortly. I'm trying to get a renewal before budget is depleted...but a larger budget.
@Cameron Rentch I want to make sure you see this. Jess Pride wants to target all the Facilities where Riceberg has worked...not just Biet T'Shuvah
Thank you @Patsy Miller I will review this and adjust the campaign and creatives.
@Patsy Miller ok few notes for sextortion
- thru EOD yesterday, total spend is 44950(does not include sign ups from today)
- preliminary review we can do the next round 1650-1800/per (please note that this likely may get lower for a time period but WILL increase as we get into October
note, 5 signed today so far, so likely just slightly over budget.
@here Good morning. The Bieber Firm got a lot more signed retainers over the weekend. Now they are asking if those were included in their first round, and if so does that lower their acquisition cost for the next round?
@Cameron Rentch Sorry to keep bothering you, but the firm keeps asking the same question. They are trying to renew but need answers.
@Patsy Miller @Andy Rogers
Some will count toward first budget, some are overage toward next. The moving forward rate I provided doesn’t change. We have to be prepped and plan. As mentioned, likely can be lower but if they need a number as placeholder that is valid.
I won’t have figured out until later today after audit.
@Patsy Miller @Andy Rogers I will have the numbers updated to reflect in customer dash shortly, but total we are at 68162 budget used for Beiber. 40 contracts through EOD yesterday, average cost per of 1704.05.
As I mentioned prior, the next round ranges will be 1650-1800/per (please note that this likely may get even lower for a time period but WILL increase as we get into October).
Let me know what else you need.
Note we are still signing contracts and charging as we move forward so we will allocate anything over 50K toward the next campaign.
@here morning. Where do we stand with the launch of Pride Riceberg campaign?
@Patsy Miller I have some creatives and landers for her to review and approve today. I will copy you on the email, becuase there is no "news" about these incidents and we are using his name, I need Jessica to approve everything - very likely we will get a cease and desist or defamation claim from this campaign - need to be protected.
@here Where are we with the Vogelzang asbestos launch?
@Patsy Miller I am sending you detailed summary and reporting of beiber campaign, so you can review and share with the firm. Have to you in the next 2 hours.
Vogelzang, the integrations teams are continuing the work through the field mapping, once that is completed we can launch. If we do not get launched by tomorrow, it will be next Tuesday (we do not launch on Thursday or Fridays ahead of Holidays weekends)
@Patsy Miller @Andy Rogers just sent detailed email regarding Sextortion. Plese let me know if you have any additinoal questions
@here I have a call scheduled next week with Josh Harris at Gomez. As you might know, he’s working on VGA and hoping to get a spot on the PEC/PSC. Are we still running VGA campaigns? Still narrowed to just the three platforms? Anything you can share is helpful.
Hey @Patsy Miller i’m already talking with Josh and Jon on a project that we have an NDA signed for. But I am not talking with them about VGA. @Andy Rogers can you please answer patsy’s question on this.
@here Where do we stand with integration and launch for Vogelzang?
@Patsy Miller they are finishing up the integration - looks like it should have a final approval in the next day. Stay tuned
Thanks. Are we going to be able to relaunch Ibrahim today?
@Cameron Rentch Vogelzang is telling me the integration is taking too long so they want us to get the campaign launched with email delivery…and backfill through the API once it’s working. How quickly can we launch Vogelzang Asbestos?
We can be live tomorrow with Vogelzang tomorrow. Ibrahim is live as well
@Patsy Miller vogelzang is live. Got a contract already just fyi