James Turner (jturner@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 13:56:13

Huh- Thoughts on this last email? This backs up my concern he doesn't just want fact checking on finalized leads that have gone through the system .he wants an AI model that scan leads BEFORE they hit PD

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Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 13:57:24

im making the tool as we speak

Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 13:57:30

where you at?

James Turner (jturner@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 13:57:53

Stomach Flu- Still working but naturally not gonna be in office

Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 13:58:31

ah feel better man

CC Kitanovski (ckitanovski@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:02:51

He is consistent on the human element... like a human is meant to use it to check it at x, y, and z points along the way before it gets sent off to wherever. What I'm confused on is who exactly, and when exactly, is doing the checking.

CC Kitanovski (ckitanovski@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:03:41

Because that implies it's just a tool for humans to use to check their own work, not AI or an automation running on its own.

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Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:05:13

Most AI tools, need to have some human intervention. I did make a script that doesn't need humans. But they want it as a tool now for review, the guys near Luis

CC Kitanovski (ckitanovski@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:07:12

if we occam's razor this... he wants to be able to say to a chatgpt "check leadid 9 for errors..." and it checks it for the obvious errors we've covered in emails.

CC Kitanovski (ckitanovski@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:08:54

where that gets expensive is the part where he talks about at the agent level. that sounds like a company wide AI chatbot that they can all use, all day long, to verify all of their work is correct, god knows how many times.

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James Turner (jturner@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:11:53

That sounds about right from what he described when he told Sphere what he wanted for the new CRM

CC Kitanovski (ckitanovski@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:12:25

is sphere being paid to build this out already in the new crm?

Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:12:37

no

Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:12:43

they'll take what I make and add it in later

Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:12:49

from what ryan says

James Turner (jturner@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:12:54

I don't believe so- I think they decided not to do that one because they need a basic lawruler clone first

James Turner (jturner@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:13:29

leadership is pushing hard for a "MVP build" in 13 weeks which replaces lawruler and Leadspedia, without the bell

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CC Kitanovski (ckitanovski@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:13:56

pushing sphere hard?

James Turner (jturner@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:13:58

so people can't stalk leads and call them 45 times in 2 minutes like this

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James Turner (jturner@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:14:38

Yeah, pushing sphere hard to get that MVP build out

CC Kitanovski (ckitanovski@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:14:58

what in the unholy mother of

Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:15:20

yeah thats why a lot of these guys score so high on the boards out in the call center

Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:15:27

they figured out how to game the system

Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:15:43

they'll always find a way if your giving them comissions

Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:15:48

thats why incentive traffic is so bad lol

James Turner (jturner@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:16:06

and why I am so vocal about not building agent metrics for leads generated until we have a system that doesn't encourage harassment and stealing from your co-workers

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Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:16:30

this tools going to be used by people like carter and luis and the review team

Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:16:32

come to find out

CC Kitanovski (ckitanovski@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:16:34

every day, i learn about a whole new set of problems

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Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:17:03

im sending an email out here in a minute with the UI

Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:17:14

it'll be a week or so before this is working though

CC Kitanovski (ckitanovski@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:18:49

so how would this company-wide ai chatbot work? we have so many places the data lives.

Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:19:00

check it out

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Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:19:22

can do by lead id, or casetype and date range

Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:19:28

like ryan wanted

Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:19:36

shows current month data

CC Kitanovski (ckitanovski@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:20:41

in terms of what ryan, specifically, wants to do, i can't see how that doesn't meet expectation.

Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:20:55

i think i nailed what he wants

CC Kitanovski (ckitanovski@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:20:59

in terms of how the entire company uses it...

Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:21:09

just need to get it working, need to setup a new DB table for output data and a ahndful of other things

Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:21:17

it'll take me a week or two

James Turner (jturner@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:21:24

If it's just a few people checking before we integrate the data- that's more doable

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CC Kitanovski (ckitanovski@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:24:15

agreed

CC Kitanovski (ckitanovski@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:34:50

i guess ultimately that would be a sphere problem and not a chris problem... right?

Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:35:06

you'd think but ryan says they'd integrate this

Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:35:21

we'd strip it out of sanic and I'd had to add it to the new platform

Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:36:09

When we have this new application they're making. We may add it to answer fields on the fly and debounce against their inputs for validation

Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:36:17

But it'd still use my same backend logic.

CC Kitanovski (ckitanovski@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:36:38

i don't know enough about what they're building to form intelligible opinions on it lol

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Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:36:51

a day at a time my dear

Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:36:52

😛

CC Kitanovski (ckitanovski@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:37:34

very true lol

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CC Kitanovski (ckitanovski@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:38:09

is the walmart guy a sphere people?

CC Kitanovski (ckitanovski@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:38:18

or are sphere people different than walmart guy?

Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:38:20

nope he's new new

Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:38:35

we'll see what he says

Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:38:42

im just the backend logic guy

James Turner (jturner@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:39:03

walmart guy is supposed to oversee sphere development

Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:39:11

ahh

CC Kitanovski (ckitanovski@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:39:11

ahh

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CC Kitanovski (ckitanovski@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:39:16

jinx.

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James Turner (jturner@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:39:19

lol

Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:39:23

i am sure i'll be working with him then

Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 14:39:25

haha

CC Kitanovski (ckitanovski@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 15:59:04

can we just take a moment...

CC Kitanovski (ckitanovski@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 15:59:07
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CC Kitanovski (ckitanovski@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 15:59:35
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Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 16:00:30

was it considered a 'meme coin'

Chris Krecicki (ckrecicki@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 16:00:45

It'll be deemed a 'collectable' if it was and she'll shake that case

CC Kitanovski (ckitanovski@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 16:01:35

i have no idea, i was stuck on the writer who decided to use the phrase "pump and dump" with regard to the Cardi B WAP coin.

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CC Kitanovski (ckitanovski@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 16:02:01

but to answer your question, i am 1,000% certain this had to be a meme coin.

James Turner (jturner@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 16:02:47

Does that mean that a legal definition of 'meme' exists?

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CC Kitanovski (ckitanovski@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 16:04:27

that's actually a really good question as we (america) sit here floundering around attempting to create AI laws.

CC Kitanovski (ckitanovski@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 16:06:11

This is an interesting and complex question. Here's a breakdown of the legal and definitional issues at play: Is there a legal definition of "meme"? The short answer is no, there is no formal, universal legal definition of "meme." The term "meme" itself was coined by evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins to describe a unit of cultural transmission.1 In a legal context, however, courts and legal scholars don't have a single, codified definition. Instead, they analyze the legal implications of a "meme" based on its characteristics and how it is used, often by applying existing laws related to:

• Copyright Law: This is the most common legal issue involving memes. A meme often uses a copyrighted image, video, or piece of text.2 The legal analysis focuses on whether the use of that copyrighted material falls under the doctrine of fair use.3 Factors considered in a fair use analysis include: • • The purpose and character of the use (e.g., commercial vs. non-commercial). ◦ ◦ The nature of the copyrighted work. ◦ The amount and substantiality of the portion used. ◦ The effect of the use on the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. • A key element is "transformative use," meaning the new work adds a new expression, meaning, or message to the original.4 Many memes, through satire or commentary, are considered transformative.5 • • Trademark Law: • If a meme uses a trademarked logo, phrase, or character, it could face a trademark infringement claim.6 The question is whether the use of the trademark would cause consumer confusion about the origin of the product or service.7 • Right of Publicity/Privacy: • If a meme uses a person's image without their consent, it could potentially violate their right of publicity (the right to control the commercial use of one's name, likeness, and other identifying features). How this applies to the WAP Coin case: The legal issue in the WAP Coin class action investigation isn't about whether "WAP coin" is legally a "meme." The classification of a cryptocurrency as a "meme coin" is a marketing or cultural designation, not a legal one. The actual legal battle will likely revolve around whether the WAP coin is considered a security under the law, and if so, whether its promoters—including Cardi B—violated securities laws. The core of the investigation is a "pump and dump" scheme.8 This involves:

  1. Promoters (insiders, including potentially the celebrity) artificially inflating the price of a token through hype and social media promotion.9
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  3. Selling their holdings at the inflated price, causing the value to plummet.10
    4. 6.
  5. Leaving regular investors with significant losses. The key question for the court will be whether the WAP coin qualifies as an investment contract, and thus a security, under the Howey Test. The Howey Test, established by the Supreme Court, defines a security as an investment of money in a common enterprise with a reasonable expectation of profits to be derived from the efforts of others. • Investment of money: Did people spend money to buy the coin? (Yes). • Common enterprise: Were investors' funds pooled together and were their fortunes tied to the success of the project? (Likely, yes). • Expectation of profits: Did investors buy the coin hoping it would increase in value? (Yes, this is the primary reason for buying "meme coins"). • Derived from the efforts of others: Were the profits expected to come from the work of the promoters, developers, and influencers, rather than from the efforts of the investors themselves? (This is a crucial point of contention). If a court finds that the WAP coin is a security, then its promoters and any parties involved in the alleged scheme could be held liable for failing to register the token with the SEC and for market manipulation.11

Therefore, whether the WAP coin is a "meme coin" or not is largely irrelevant to the legal outcome. The legal system will not treat a token differently simply because it is based on an internet joke. The core legal analysis will be about investor protection and whether the promotion of the token violated securities laws.

James Turner (jturner@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 16:08:48

That is actually really interesting

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CC Kitanovski (ckitanovski@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 16:08:51

...well I learned something new today

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James Turner (jturner@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 16:10:23

My girlfriend just asked what I was up to and I told her "Discussing the validity of Cardi B's WAP coins as a security, and it's relation to the legal definition of meme"

James Turner (jturner@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 16:10:38

she laughed at me and asked if Ryan was involved

CC Kitanovski (ckitanovski@shield-legal.com)
2025-08-25 16:10:49

some days, the best part of my job is NOT that the chair spins... it's that i get to say stuff like that.

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